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Post by Michael Catalani on May 26, 2007 0:33:20 GMT
Start saving! pre-fabricated frame will set you back, labour per hour here is $75. What do you mean by using a steel frame?. Steel arived today, should get cracking tomorrow. Matti. Thsi is what I mean: www.greenhousemegastore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CF%2D20I could effecively put it up by my self almost with some help from my dad. Double poly probably wont be needed if you arent running a heater. You'll probably want to use the most inexpensive of coverings since you will likely remove it when it gets hot, otherwise you'll have to install a vent and fan as well. Even if you do double poly, you'll probably want to use the really cheap covering since you will likely remove the plastic during the summer. If you decide on double poly, you'll need to get an inflation blower and a couple of jumper hoses for the endwalls, which means you'll have to have an electrical run to the greenhouse. This unit doesn't have cross members, and may not survive a heavy snow load or wind load, so make sure the area you install this unit at won't experience these very often.
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Post by jm82792 on May 26, 2007 8:25:23 GMT
Okay so I won't do double poly and will do a diy evaporative cooler and removable shade cloth. I do want to do highlander nepenthes so I may take part of that CP section put a small cell within the cp section and heat it here is a paint diagram. I will be using this poly www.greenhousemegastore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GF-6MCa 32 by 100 foot roll. I know this sound complicated slightly. The temperate CP section will not be celled of from the vegitable garden section. Heating is cheap because it is only 7 cents a kilowatt !
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Post by matti on May 26, 2007 9:52:10 GMT
Okay so I won't do double poly and will do a diy evaporative cooler and removable shade cloth. I do want to do highlander nepenthes so I may take part of that CP section put a small cell within the cp section and heat it here is a paint diagram. I will be using this poly www.greenhousemegastore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GF-6MCa 32 by 100 foot roll. I know this sound complicated slightly. The temperate CP section will not be celled of from the vegitable garden section. Heating is cheap because it is only 7 cents a kilowatt ! Like I said before, start saving because pre fabed GH frame will not come for under $100... especially that one, you would be lucky to get it under $1000, I have done the figures for you and each hoop will need 9420mm of material, lets say you use a tube with a NB of 25 (outer diamater 35mm x 2mm) and lets say they come in 6500mm lengths like mine did at $7.70/meter, it will probably be more expencive in america because of your iron ore reserves- freight ect. (I got mine cheeper because it was on special). $7.70 x 9500 - $73 per hoop + labour + freight - considerably more. what do you want with such a big veggie garden?. Just an update on my situation, the frame is finished only took me 6 or so hours, I said it was a one day knock off job, well It was half a day so I guess I owe myself 50 bux (would of been quicker but I had some problems with my bender breaking and me having to fix it/substitute it with an old door). I have 30 meters alone in the bows of the hoops and 20 meters in the side poles. I will try to erect it next saturday when I get some more supplies, sorry I was not able to get any photos because something happened with my roll of film in the camera, I will try and get some photos next time. And a few things on saftey when using metal working power tools, I used a cutt off saw to cut my metal this process produces alot of sparkes, smoke and noise, please wear saftey glasses ( I have gotten aluminium shardes in my eyes at work from not wearing saftey glasses and it hurts!), hearing protection and if cutting galvanised steel (as you use for a GH) use a respirator or hold your breath as the fumes caused by the zinc will make you VERY sick (flu like symptoms). Anyone have any questions?. EDIT: Joshua, make sure you obtain the correct building permits from your local council. Matti.
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Post by jm82792 on May 27, 2007 23:20:51 GMT
I do not believe you need building permits I will check into it a bit later,Yes your right about $1500 will be spent but my sisters are getting 2 horses so they said I get get a greenhouse and I would use most of it for vegetables with 5 kids food goes away really fast(thus them considering a greenhouse). There are other steel hoop greenhouses that are smaller so if permits are needed then I could go with something smaller. It is about $1000 usd for the entire thing shipping,frame 55 feet of 4 year plastic,tube lock to attach the poly on the end wall, tube lock for the sides to hold the poly in. Then the other end would be framed in with some of spare wood around the house and my dad is a contacter so no problems there too. I would most likely need a misting system for the vegetable part they sell in line PVC mister that are economical. For the vegetables I will get self pollinating variates Shade cloth would be a must also so the total cost is like $1500. I better start saving to pay for part of this thing Well lots of work needs to be done at the new house so I think I could earn some $ I sent them an email I will see what I get back...........
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Post by Not a Number on May 28, 2007 2:11:17 GMT
Zoning laws vary from city to city. Always check before building. There are probably size limits on unattached structures as well.
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Post by matti on May 28, 2007 12:59:49 GMT
You will need a building permit to build anything bigger than a garden shed or small glass house in your yard. Depending on were you are you may need one just to build a shed!.
I would look into the cooling equipment before you get to confident about pricing, I contacted a company here and they wanted $1000 just for an exhaust fan.
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Post by Michael Catalani on May 28, 2007 15:39:45 GMT
Depending on where you live, you may also need to check the covenants for your subdivision. If there are any covenants, then a large metal greenhouse will almost certainly be something that is restricted. Like Matti said, some places make you pull a permit for the smallest of projects. Some would probably require you to pull a permit if you simply drag a 2x4 in your back yard. Rural places usually are the most lax about requiring permits. Put some thought into the final package before you order anything. Check into a few of the manufacturers or distributors, and allow them to recommend the cooling system for the type of house and your location. An undersized cooling system is a worthless cooling system. The same goes for heating. They will also tell you if they would recommend a model without cross members for your location. The cold-frame will only be about 20%-25% of the cost of an equipped greenhouse of this size, not counting labor. (It's good your dad is a contractor to offset the labor costs.) Here's some other greenhouse distributors and manufacturers to check out. www.jaderloon.comwww.atlasgreenhouse.comwww.amleo.comwww.farmtek.comwww.mcconkeyco.com
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Post by jm82792 on May 28, 2007 19:10:22 GMT
We are located 30 minutes from the nearest city by farmland and forest. It is rurul non city zoned area sao I think the permits would be easy to fulfil but I will do some calling when in oregon about iy. How has your project been going have you cut all of the steel? Thanks for the site they have smaller coldframes that could maybe not need a permit,I think I will call farmtek later in oregon about a smaller 8X8X24 coldframe.
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Post by matti on May 28, 2007 20:22:58 GMT
Hoops and bits are bent and cut, just need some more peices to join them up.
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Post by jm82792 on May 28, 2007 21:49:21 GMT
Thanks for the link matti!
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Post by matti on May 30, 2007 7:46:15 GMT
Another update, I erected the frame today, each hoop ended up being 3.5 - 4 meters tall, took the best bit of 5 hours.
Quite abit of work on my own, and yes I did take pictures for you all. ;D
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Post by Michael Catalani on May 30, 2007 15:57:40 GMT
Another update, I erected the frame today, each hoop ended up being 3.5 - 4 meters tall, took the best bit of 5 hours. Quite abit of work on my own, and yes I did take pictures for you all. ;D Nice, sounds like you are making good progress now.
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Post by matti on May 31, 2007 9:19:25 GMT
New photos, a great feat of Australian engineering. It was all screwed togeather and erected in 5 hours. ;D Greenhouse frame laying in peices as I left it last saturday. The side poles, 2000 long /10 of each. Screwing the hoops togeather. ;D Hoops screwed togeather. The Boss Man and the first hoop erected. ;D Later on in the afternoon, all hoops erected. From another angle. And now for a couple of Greenhouse irelevant photos. The Drilling rig, they are drilling on our place. Nepenthes maxima lower, it is as big as Heaths Nep truncata pitchers... and my fore arm. Nepenthes maxima upper.
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Post by matti on May 31, 2007 9:21:09 GMT
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Post by chug on May 31, 2007 11:17:53 GMT
The polly tunnel is looking good, keep up the good work!
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