S. (purpurea x flava) x flava

[jmurphy97]

I was looking through the savage garden book and on page 93 I saw this. So I've been looking everything for pictures or information on it but I cannot find any. I was wondering if anyone here has one.

[Not a Number]

There's a couple links in BobZ's CP Photo finder:

Sarracenia x [x catesbaei*flava] [(flava*purpurea)*flava]

www.indymental.cpuk.org/sarras/catxflav.jpg
www.johnjearrard.co.uk/sarraceniaceae/sarracenia/h11pjg.html

[jmurphy97]

Ok so I've been looking and it says that s. catesbaei is flava x purpurea. Would there be a difference in appearence if it was purpurea x flava?

If I can't find any the next thing would be to get near mature purpurea x flava and then get a normal flava and when they both flower try to cross them and hope the seeds make what I want. Is there a easier way then this? What would the best way to go about this?

[Not a Number]

I may be wrong but I am willing to be corrected.

For simple crosses I don't think species of the pollen donor matters, except for paperwork, as Sarracenia are monoecious (have both male and female structures in the flowers).

It looks to me the convention is to alphabetize species in simple crosses rather than use the more formal notation to indicate the father (pollen donor) plant.

[Dave Evans]

Each type of plant could, in theory, use it's DNA in a different way. Since testing of CP DNA has only just begun, it would seem we are just starting to explore this source of information and don't know all what it may provide.

It would appear that in nature, certain hybrids tend to be in only one direction when flower size comes in to play. For example Sarracenia catesbaei tends to be S. purpurea * S. flava. Meaning the S. p. is just about always the mother. There is a pretty good reason for this too, as S. p has a smaller flower than S. f.. Simply running the odds, it is much more difficult for pollen from S. purpurea to pollinate S. flava than it is the other way around because of the difference in flower size. (S. rosea has a larger flower, specifically the style is wider, so this might not be true for plants labeled S. catesbaei from the Florida Panhandle area, as pollen from S. rosea can probably pollinate S. flava more easily than can the pollen of S. purpurea.)

So unless you made the cross and know you made S. flava * S. purpurea, it most probably would be S. purpurea * S. flava. Now, S. catesbaei is any combination of Sarracenia purpurea hybridized with S. flava. I have a plant which is just a little shorter than S. flava and it has a copper top, but it is a S. catesbaei with a formula that looks like: ((S. purpurea * flava) * flava) * S. flava; but could also be S. flava * ((S. purpurea * flava) * flava), right now there is no real way to tell, but the original F1 generation of the hybrid probably had S. purpurea as the mother plant because that individual had the smallest flower.

I hope this helps.

[bttrfly777]

Ah, ha! You are looking for the pretty purple one! If you find it, let me know. I'm looking for it too! ;D

[Aidan]

notanumber said:

It looks to me the convention is to alphabetize species in simple crosses rather than use the more formal notation to indicate the father (pollen donor) plant.

Where known, the convention is to write the mother plant of a hybrid first. Where unknown, the fallback is to note the parents alphabetically.

[stevestewart]

notanumber said:

I may be wrong but I am willing to be corrected.

as Sarracenia are monoecious (have both male and female structures in the flowers).

I know this is picky, but I am also always willing to be corrected.

Sarracinea are hermaphroditic, having both male and female parts in the same flower.

Monoecious plants have male and female flowers separate on the same plant. As in Begonia

Take care,
Steven Stewart

[jfowler]

I believe that having staminate (male) flowers and pistillate (female) flowers on different plants of the same species is dioecious.

[stevestewart]

jfowler said:

I believe that having staminate (male) flowers and pistillate (female) flowers on different plants of the same species is dioecious.

Yes, that is correct. As in the genus Nepenthes.

[wallsg7]

I think its worth remembering that the photos in the savage garden have been taken proffessionaly using all kinds of special lighting and lenses to enhance and magnify the colouration of the plants.
In real life its probably burgundy not purple.