Hybrid or not ? ( again... )

[jorick]

Two years ago a bought a S. purpurea ssp. purpurea. I've always found that the pitcher didn't look like normal ones: they are very elongated and the lids are rather small and not curled around the pitcher opening. This year the plant is flowering but as far as I now something about Sarrs and my research is right, it look like a typical purp flower...
So right now I'm a bit confused. I just would like to now whether this is a hybrid or not. I've made two crosses with this plant ( Hopefully it worked out ) and I would like to name them correct or at least be able to say that it is with an unknown hybrid.

So here are the pics:

the flower:







the pitcher:

[Vincent]

If you bought your purpurea at carniflora, it's probably a hybrid between ssp purpurea and ssp venosa.

[jorick]

That doesn't explain the strange lids that the pitcher have. Some pitchers even have a square shaped opening....

[Michael Catalani]

The first pitcher looks like it has an oreophila influence, with a robust mouth opening and gi-normous hood flap. (nice scientific description.) The second pitcher looks like it has more of a rubra influence. Looks can be deceiving, so I'm not saying they are hybrids for sure, but they certainly appear as if they could be. Also, if the plant is producing very robust pitchers, and then thinner pitchers within the same plant, that could also be an indication of a hybrid.

I love the boardwalk around your bog.

[BarryRice]

Hmmm. The flowers don't help me much, since they look like straight S. purpurea. The pitcher lid, though, is pretty weird. The nature of the venation is quite peculiar, and the shape of the lid is odd.

All I can say is that it surely does look like a hybrid of some sort. I'd guess something more exotic than just a infraspecific cross. The fact that the petal coloration is so deeply red tends to argue against a yellow or green flowered parent, but I just don't know.

I'm afraid the conservative approach would be just to label it "Sarracenia sp. or hybrid".

Sorry!

It's a nice plant, though! If you decide you don't like a plant of unknown identify, give it to a beginner who will enjoy it.

Barry

[jorick]

Alright then, I'll rename it as S. unknown hybrid1.

michaelcatalani said:

I love the boardwalk around your bog.

Thanks !

BarryRice said:

If you decide you don't like a plant of unknown identify, give it to a beginner who will enjoy it.

Well, to bad for the beginners... I still like the plants, hybrid or not...

[Hailstorm Project]

Hi guys,

I bought a plant as Sarracenia Purpurea ssp. Purpurea from a belgian customer one year ago. Along this season I observed that my plant had some details that seemed suspicious. The pitchers are big, semi-erect and crossed by wide veins, specially on the inner hood. Not too similar to the Purpurea ssp. that I can see in photos.

When I saw this post, I saw exactly a plant like my Purpurea. Finally, I examined my plant carefully and notified that it had little hairs covering the pitcher and hood, smaller and less extended than the hairs in ssp. Venosa pitchers. Some time ago, the plant haven't developed that hairs. Definitely, my plant isn't a real Purpurea.

I have a little Purpurea f. Heterophylla too, and yes, the pitchers are so smooth. I will search for a Purpurea ssp. Purpurea again. ;D


This is a photo of my Sarracenia in June. Anyways, is a pretty and vigorous plant.

[wadave]

Two possible answers come to mind:

1. Perhaps some where in the distant past this purpurea had another sarra or two as a parent (or even a hybrid) and then later down the track the hybrid that resulted from this cross has been rebred with purpurea resulting in the dominating features of purpurea being present. Hence the very typical purpurea type flower

or

2. There has been some environmental factor that has caused a genetic mutation that has created a different hood and venation.

I am leaning towards idea 1. because the tube seems to be thinner and more elongated which suggests some other type of sarra or hybrid sarra's DNA is present in your particular plant.

Dave.

[Hailstorm Project]

Possible x Catesbaei parentage or so?