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Post by paulbarden on Jul 25, 2011 17:13:12 GMT
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Post by Aidan on Jul 25, 2011 17:28:17 GMT
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Post by Not a Number on Jul 25, 2011 17:32:46 GMT
I've never had dealings with the seller in question. Cephalotus has been deleted from the CITES Appendix II so as long as you have the seed import permits and/or phytosanitary documents from the seller they should be legal.
Sean Spence in Australia is offering Cephalotus seed on eBay. He is very reliable. There will probably be plenty of seed available from growers in the US in the next few months. Check on other forums and ebay.
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Post by bluemax on Jul 26, 2011 0:18:00 GMT
Thanks, Aidan. This is all news to me and very useful. I understand that to import plants into the US it is usually the seller who must carry the permits. Is this correct? - Mark |
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Post by joegriffin on Jul 26, 2011 0:59:45 GMT
It is the responsability of the seller to abide by whatever rules the country of origin has on exporting, but to be legal, you need the permit that Aidan mentioned in you are a US buyer.
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Post by Not a Number on Jul 26, 2011 6:26:12 GMT
The exporter needs to supply customs declarations, CITES documentations and phytosanitary permits. CITES and phytosanitary requirements may not be necessary in some cases if the plants are propagated in vitro and still in sterile media in flasks when shipped. Small seed lots (50 or less seeds per species) do not require a phytosanitary permit if the importer has the proper permits. The importer must have permits as the plants or seeds need to be quarantined and inspected in order to enter the United States. CITES species require an additional permit. Also individual states have requirements and may require additional permits. If it is only a few plants the USDA may wave the need for import permits, but phytosanitary permits are still required. Always inquire with the USDA first (and at least 30 days in advance). See the USDA website: www.aphis.usda.gov/plant_health/permits/index.shtmlFailure of either party to supply the necessary documentation could lead to seizure and destruction of the plants or seed and fines and/or imprisonment of the buyer/importer/recipient. |
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Post by paulbarden on Jul 26, 2011 14:02:38 GMT
If anyone knows a source for US available seeds, I would like to know, thanks.
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Post by bluemax on Jul 26, 2011 18:32:32 GMT
If anyone knows a source for US available seeds, I would like to know, thanks. I second that. I am rather shocked at the complexity of importing seed, let alone plants, into the US. There seems to be a thriving trade that just puts small amounts of seed into a small plain envelope so as not to attract attention. - Mark |
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Post by Aidan on Jul 26, 2011 19:33:19 GMT
As far as seed goes, the process has actually got simpler! ;D
All you need do is apply for a permit. Thereafter you will be able to obtain more seed than you will ever need without smuggling. I have often supplied to US purchasers under a Small Lots of Seed permit and the system appears to work well.
Plants are another (and rather expensive) matter entirely.
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Post by Not a Number on Jul 26, 2011 19:35:20 GMT
Importing small seed lots is not complicated at all. Just fill out the permit applications listing the species/genus you're importing and the countries you're importing from. When your permits are approved you get copies of the permit and labels. You send a copy of the permits and labels (originals) to the party you're getting the seed from. They put the permit copy in the package and the label on the package. The package goes to the inspection center you've chosen on the label, they inspect the seed and either you pick it up the package or they forward it to you. Live plants or larger seed lots isn't much different except a phytosanitary certificate is required. Their may be more customs restrictions though.
The only bugaboo is that if you do this online you need to show a government ID to a USDA agent in order to gain access to the government website. The agents may be located several hours away depending on where you live. If you do it all by mail showing ID is not required. However it can take up to 30 days to get your permits approved and obtain the labels. It took me about 10-12 business days from start to finish using the online process.
If you're going to forgo the permits and smuggle the seeds in a plain envelope I don't want to hear any complaints about unethical or illegal seed collection by sellers of seed.
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Post by bluemax on Jul 27, 2011 18:40:05 GMT
Nobody likes red tape but official policies that protect wild plant populations and rare, often not-assessed, species are certainly worth the effort in my opinion. I guess if you want to be a pioneer and a conservationist you got to do the paperwork.
Thanks for the great info, guys!
- Mark
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Post by Not a Number on Aug 17, 2011 23:07:09 GMT
Fresh seed was available from the ICPS seedbank but their sold out already. There's probably still some for seed contributors though.
People in the US are harvesting seed now. Keep your eyes open on the various forums.
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Post by Not a Number on Sept 16, 2011 7:02:14 GMT
Seed is available in the ICPS seedbank, while they last.
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Post by sbowe23 on Sept 16, 2011 13:40:33 GMT
Got mine - thanks!! Seed is available in the ICPS seedbank, while they last. |
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