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Post by petmantis on Jun 5, 2011 19:48:05 GMT
That is true, yet as a member of the ICPS I believe that paying a couple of dollars for a good plant is a lot more logical than ripping a pest-filled, beat up wild plant from it's natural habitat where it belongs and selling it on ebay, only to die of shock when it arrives. Where exactly in Dave's post do you read his advocation of "ripping a pest-filled, beat up wild plant from it's natural habitat where it belongs and selling it on ebay"? Maybe I'm missing something...
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Post by nepenthes99 on Jun 5, 2011 20:40:32 GMT
My point is that we should not collect wild plants from their habitat just because we have permission. And for the quote in your post, consider doing some research on Sarracenia Leucophylla in the floral industry.
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Post by petmantis on Jun 5, 2011 20:55:57 GMT
My point is that we should not collect wild plants from their habitat just because we have permission. And for the quote in your post, consider doing some research on Sarracenia Leucophylla in the floral industry. sarracenia.com/faq/faq4400.html You mean this? Indeed, that is harvesting - not sustainable collection. Once again, a post from Dave: I think something which is missing from the conversation is we should be able to collect from wild populations, but not harvest them. Only harvest from cultivated plants like we already do with food plants. That pretty much sums up the whole S. leucophylla cut-pitcher situation. If your previous comment was really "the point" of why you deliberately insulted Dave Evans, then I am truly lost for words to how you came to the conclusion that he advocates poaching, as his own words prove otherwise.
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Post by peterhewitt on Jun 5, 2011 21:38:10 GMT
Nepenthes99 After some more time in the carnivorous plant hobby, you will realize that the question of harvesting/collecting of wild plants, is a very complex and far reaching topic, requiring far more information than you now posses. If absolutely no wild collection was allowed, there would be no way for you to enjoy the hobby you are obviously very passionate about. Some people own tracts of land which they manage and farm for Pitcher plants and pitchers for the cut flower industry. They have every right to do so. This can also be done in a very sustainable and productive way to enhance the goals of conservation, as is the case with the Meadowview Biological research station The ICPS is against the ILLEGAL collection of wild plants. There are many forms of Legal wild plant collection.
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Post by nepenthes99 on Jun 6, 2011 2:05:52 GMT
That is true, and I understand that collecting from wild populations is one of the only ways to bring rare plants into cultivation, but take for example Sarracenia Leucophylla; it can easily be mass cultivated, yet people still collect it from the wild. Collecting wild specimens instead of buying a cultivated plant does not do any good for anyone or anything.
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Post by Richard Davion on Jun 28, 2011 4:42:23 GMT
It's-Quite Ethical to-Harvest SEED ... Since most-Organisms Produce More-Offspring than The-Environment Can-Support so-to-Speak .... though This-Remains R-Mute-Point with-Regard to-CPs Since-We 'Still'-Don't Understand Key-Aspects IN-Their Basic-Biology &-R-Therefore Unable to-Create-Habitat that-Will, IN-the-Long-Term, Sustain-Them If-'Necessary' so-to-Speak!!! >(*~*)< / >(*U^)<
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Post by Dave Evans on Jul 6, 2011 2:59:13 GMT
Err, what Richard? There are still clones of nepenthes around from the 1800's... IF that's not long term, what is?
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Post by nepenthes99 on Jul 8, 2011 21:17:19 GMT
That is true Richard, but even collecting wild seed has it's risks. Most seedlings die because of viruses and fungi that are found in the wild on the seed. Because of this, It is highly probable that these pathogens will find their way into a collection and will plague and infect neighboring plants.
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Post by bouncingwatermelon on Jul 13, 2011 16:52:05 GMT
People need to be better educated about the ethics and the damage they cause on ecosystems with a delicate balance. Back in California, where I used to live, schools routinely took kids on field trips to redwood forests, creeks, marshes, etc., and interest in ecology was high on a social scale. I don't know about school curriculums elsewhere in the US, but society can be positively "brainwashed" by teaching kids about it. When kids act morally, it is hard for adults to be immoral.
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