Interesting Trap

[RL7836]

Found this today:

I've seen pics of other deformed/malformed traps (usually doubles) so I figured I'd share this one (a 1st deformed trap for me)...

[killerplants]

Neat. Looks like the mouth of a sandworm from the original Dune movie, lol.

[Vater Araignee]

I wonder if that trap was TCed what may be produced.
Problem is traps are the least successful ex-plant in TC.
Have you tried triggering it?





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changed TC to TCed.

[mmlr38]

weird looking indeed

[kby]

Was this a particular clone? I have a B52 that is producing a trap that looks like it maybe wanted to do that (but I doubt it will do it as successfully as yours did). The end away from the petiole rather than just being a simple "seam" was like an extra piece (that would turn into the "third lobe" part of your trap), but folded into the trap once (so looking down
on the trap it looks like there is a "v" at the end away from the petiole, with its point directed towards the petiole).-kby

[chelmuth]

I'm pretty sure this is usually caused by insect damage, not a genetic thing. Sure looks cool though

[RL7836]

Jun 18, 2008 21:35:54 GMT Vater Araignee said:

I wonder if that trap was TC what may be produced.

Typically these types of mutations are produced by some form of environmental factor and not genetically-created. The real genetic mutations that I've seen or heard about produce a similar type of mutation on each trap (or flower). Examples of this are many ('fused-tooth', 'cup-trap', etc) and several newer examples in threads started by Guillaume & Melly up in the photo section.

Jun 18, 2008 21:35:54 GMT Vater Araignee said:

Have you tried triggering it?

Yes. The lobe at the top right moves across half of the gap toward the one at the bottom. The lobes at the end & bottom had no appreciable movement.

Jun 18, 2008 22:27:07 GMT kby said:

Was this a particular clone? I have a B52 that is producing a trap that looks like it maybe wanted to do that (but I doubt it will do it as successfully as yours did).

I received this plant years ago labeled as 'Henning's Giant'. Since I've been growing this clone, it has failed to distinguish itself in any meaningful way from a typical VFT - until it produced this trap.

[Vater Araignee]

Jun 27, 2008 20:20:48 GMT RL7836 said:

Jun 18, 2008 21:35:54 GMT Vater Araignee said:

I wonder if that trap was TCed what may be produced.

Typically these types of mutations are produced by some form of environmental factor and not genetically-created. The real genetic mutations that I've seen or heard about produce a similar type of mutation on each trap (or flower). Examples of this are many ('fused-tooth', 'cup-trap', etc) and several newer examples in threads started by Guillaume & Melly up in the photo section.

Ah, but what a lot of people fail to understand is that mutation is a mutation is a mutation. I say it like that because I now see I need to go back to that post and make a change. TC should be TCed.
Now I will admit that just pulling the trap and throwing it into culture is not likely to produce any "easily found" variance. Even isolating spots that are most likely to contain the suspect cells then producing clones from those sections wont necessarily produce, heck I'll say wont produce clones that present that trap deformity, however the likelihood of producing something with a variant, it seed producing a variant or a further TCing producing is much more likely.

I have to wonder how many cultivars eventually resulted from an attempt to replicate a screwed up trap.
Too bad I don't have the time or space to offer you some choe for that trap so I could try.

[Alexis]

A trap from an open day I went to yesterday:

[ICPS-bob]

ménage à trois?

[Dave Evans]

This a common non-genetic plant mutation. Right now, I have a branch on one of my _Syringa vulgaris_ 'Ronsard' which is making leaves in threes, instead of as pairs like it should. Because the mutation occurred when the branch formed, all the subsequent growth also show the mutation. However, I rather doubt root cutting from would produce new stems with leaves in threes.

With this VFT, it appears the same or very similar mutation occurred, but only on the leaf itself, not the stem... Probably could not be TC'ed because individual cells do not possess the ability to grow into a plant with this characteristic. My _Syringa_ will probably grow out of it too, but that branch could maintain the mutation if propagated carefully. For example: grafting pieces of it onto non suckering rootstock.

If new plants could be grown from the leaf itself via leaf cutting, they might maintain the mutation.

[boggardener]

if I had enough money, I would definitely try to get such a trap tissue-cultured. especially at a custom tissue culture laboratory. (ferrocious foliage seems to have a very good price)