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Post by Hailstorm Project on Apr 5, 2008 11:06:45 GMT
Hi,
I have received recently a flava var. rugelii with location data. It comes from Prince George Co., and as I have seen on many lists (and after searching in Google), this county is in Virginia. Of course, rugelii doesn't grows in this state (almost that's what I think).
Have any other Prince George County in Georgia or Florida, or maybe my plant is mislabelled and isn't really a rugelii? (of course, I can wait for new leaves for more effective information)
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Post by Michael Catalani on Apr 5, 2008 15:10:20 GMT
Hi, I have received recently a flava var. rugelii with location data. It comes from Prince George Co., and as I have seen on many lists (and after searching in Google), this county is in Virginia. Of course, rugelii doesn't grows in this state (almost that's what I think). Have any other Prince George County in Georgia or Florida, or maybe my plant is mislabelled and isn't really a rugelii? (of course, I can wait for new leaves for more effective information) I dont kow of any "Pince George" counties within the range of ssp rugelii. Mis-naming of S. flava forms / subspecies was quite common, and even rampant in the 80's and 90's. This was especially true of "rugelii", since it has the same markings as the typical form from the east coast. The ssp rugelii is only from the western part of its range (Florida panhandle just over into Alabama). Your plant is probably the "typical" form of the species. Outwardly, it would look quite similar to ssp rugelii. The good news for your plant is that it was labeled with the form AND location data, which makes it easier to ID if any revisions to the nomenclature or taxonomy are made, or if the ID was wrong in the first place. |
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Post by Hailstorm Project on Apr 5, 2008 21:13:50 GMT
Thanks for your answer. I will wait to see its first pitchers to ensure it. I will post its photos here as soon as possible.
Also, I have a pair of S.alata from DeSoto, marked as "DeSoto, TX". It's possible to find these plants in Texas? I only have seen the Mississipi and Louisiana locations of this plants under sites called DeSoto too. Another possible error or true location data?
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Post by Michael Catalani on Apr 6, 2008 3:34:17 GMT
Thanks for your answer. I will wait to see its first pitchers to ensure it. I will post its photos here as soon as possible. Also, I have a pair of S.alata from DeSoto, marked as "DeSoto, TX". It's possible to find these plants in Texas? I only have seen the Mississipi and Louisiana locations of this plants under sites called DeSoto too. Another possible error or true location data? There's a possibility that S. alata is from Desoto, Tx area. I'm not familiar with that area, but it appears to be close to S. alata's natural range. You will find plants marked Desoto County Mississippi, but those are in error. They probably refer to Desoto National Forest. There is a Desoto County, Ms, but that county is a few miles from myself, and its way outside of S. alatas natural range. Desoto National Forest is in the southern part of the state, and is a hotbed for S. alata. |
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Post by Alexis on Apr 7, 2008 17:38:12 GMT
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Post by Hailstorm Project on Apr 7, 2008 19:26:42 GMT
I have seen that page before. I think that DeSoto Forest have the nicest alatas from all locations, or almost the more colorful.
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Post by Dave Evans on Apr 10, 2008 9:13:16 GMT
Mis-naming of S. flava forms / subspecies was quite common, and even rampant in the 80's and 90's. This was especially true of "rugelii", since it has the same markings as the typical form from the east coast. The ssp rugelii is only from the western part of its range (Florida panhandle just over into Alabama). Your plant is probably the "typical" form of the species. Actually, you can find S. flava var. rugelii throughout the entire range of S. flava... Same for varieties maxima, cuprea, flava, ornata and atropurpurea as well as many intergrades between these color forms. However, despite what is says in Jan's CP Database, you can only find S. flava var. rubricorpa down in the gulf coast section of the species' range. |
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Post by meadowview on Apr 14, 2008 15:34:03 GMT
Hi Folks:
Sarracenia flava historically occurred in Prince George County, Virginia. The plants from that site had moderate veining but are not the classic var. rugelii from the Gulf Coast.
Frankly, unless you have received a Virginia pitcher plant from Meadowview I would question the provenance. Collectors have not maintained proper propagation techniques (e.g. covering flowers to prevent pollen contamination from other Sarracenia) to ensure integrity of collections. We had a case recently where copper tops were listed for a Virginia location. WRONG, no copper tops in Virginia.
Sincerely,
Phil Sheridan
Director
Meadowview Biological
Research Station
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Post by Michael Catalani on Apr 14, 2008 21:44:45 GMT
Mis-naming of S. flava forms / subspecies was quite common, and even rampant in the 80's and 90's. This was especially true of "rugelii", since it has the same markings as the typical form from the east coast. The ssp rugelii is only from the western part of its range (Florida panhandle just over into Alabama). Your plant is probably the "typical" form of the species. Actually, you can find S. flava var. rugelii throughout the entire range of S. flava... Same for varieties maxima, cuprea, flava, ornata and atropurpurea as well as many intergrades between these color forms. However, despite what is says in Jan's CP Database, you can only find S. flava var. rubricorpa down in the gulf coast section of the species' range. Yea, it looks like I cut off the first part of my sentence, which mentioned Georgia and SC. Schnell reported ssp rugelii up to South Carolina. I havent really heard of ssp rugellis farther north than this. I thought they were fairly isolated on the western side of their range from GA west. |
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