plant publications on the ICPS homepage?

[chimanta]

Hello all

I guess many of us who don't have direct access to a university library will have the same problem as me, if they are looking for the plant publications/descriptions, to find out about their habitat and growing conditions.

Why don't we put the publications of carnivorous plants all on the ICPS website so everyone who is interested can check them out?

Of course, there might be questions about copyright, but I think there are quite a few members of the ICPS who have described species e.g. Nepenthes, Heliamphoras or Droseras and if they agree, we would have quite a bit of CP descriptions(publications) on the net. Also there have been quite a few descriptions been published in the ICPN, which I think could be easily scanned and put in the forum?

I could make a start, since I know Dr. Rudolf Schmid-Hollinger, who has described Nepenthes masoalensis. I have talked to him an he does not mind, if I would scan his publication and would put it on this website. Although this publication is written in french, this homepage is an international homepage after all and there is certainly french speaking people surfing on this site as well and probably willing, to translate this publication as well in to english?

If you agree and we get a couple of publications/descriptions, where should we post it (eg. to each species or doing a new topic like plant publications/descriptions?)

There are also a few descriptions on the web (e.a. in Blumea) and can be seen by erveryone. Since on the latest descriptions there are many times no exact localities mentioned, there is also no danger of poaching plants due to this.

Well what do you think about this suggestion?

www.nepenthes.ch

[andreasfleischmann]

Hello Urs,

The problem is that in many cases, the copyrights of an article (plant description, drawings, photos etc.) are to the publisher after submission of the manuscript. Therefore, the authorization of the original author might not be enough to legally publish it online.
Many journals now start to provide their latest volumes (or even back issues) freely available online. For Nepenthophiles, these are Blumea (http://www.nationaalherbarium.nl/pubs/blumea/ , issues from 2007 onwards on www.ingentaconnect.com/content/nhn/blumea/) or Reinwardtia (available in a few botanical libraries in Europe only, but for free online: www.zoologi.biologi.lipi.go.id/reinwardtia/seri12(2)_3.html). The link for Reinwardtia is somewhat hard to find by google, and quite often daed. Unfortunately the latest issue (including the formal description of N. adrianii) is still missing.

All the best,

Andreas

[chimanta]

Hello Andreas

Thank you for your informations and the links. I have seen for example the publications about N. jamban and lingulata there as well (Blumea) after I have read an information (from you I guess once in the forum).

But still, there are quite a few of us who have made some publications and probably could ask the publisher may they could do so. Of course I do understand, If the publisher likes to sell the publications first, to cover the costs, but maybe after a few years they would agree if we would publish the article in the ICPS.

On the other hand, I remember quite a few publications in the ICPN or the "Taublatt" about Nepenthes or Heliamphora and I dont think that the "ICPN" or the "Taublatt" would mind if the author would agree and ask them to publish it on the Homepage of the ICPS. But thank you, and I fully agree with you, that we would have to pay attention to the copyrigth. So who is the first, - well second, since first is Dr. Rudolf Schmid Hollinger - to give permission to get the thing started??

[www.nepenthes.ch/url]

[ICPS-bob]

Urs,

You have a very nice idea, but as Andreas points out, copyright can be a severe deterrent. In addition, it is in the interest of societies and journals to have paid members and subscriptions to keep them financially solvent. ICPS does not want to violate copyright laws or undercut the objectives of scientific societies.

This year, ICPS decided to make all articles published in CPN more than 3 years old publicly available as PDF on its web site. However, to encourage paid membership, we decided to make CPN issues less than 3 years old available to ICPS members only in a password-protected directory. However, we make all species and cultivar descriptions published in CPN available to everyone at the time of publication.
www.carnivorousplants.org/cpn/Species/SpeciesDescriptions.htm
www.carnivorousplants.org/cpn/Species/CultivarRegistrations.htm

Often authors retain the right to use their work. Some authors then might post their paper on a web site. Occasionally, what the journal is copyrighting is the "look and feel" of the published journal article. In this case, the author could possibly reformat the paper and post it on their web site. The copyright rules of each journal would need to be researched.

The Carnivorous Plant Database has a field that contains a link to published species or cultivar description, if available on the web. There are already links to all descriptions published in CPN. As an example, see
www.omnisterra.com/bot/cp_home.cgi?name=dionaea&submit=Submit+Query&search=cultivars

As we become aware of additional published descriptions at other sites, we can add those links to the CP Database.

I am not sure that ICPS would want to be the electronic library that stores descriptions published elsewhere, but that certainly could be a topic discussed by the Board.

[chimanta]

Hello Bob

Thank you for the links. I completely agree and understand, that the magazines and societys have to get monney to pay for their work.

I think it's a good idea, to publish the publications which have been done in the ICPN, as the ICPS has decided now 3 years after the publication.

In the meanwhile I have found a link in another Forum about the publications of N. rigidifolia, in case you want to put the link somwhere in the ICPS Forum? (It is necessary, to copy the link into the adress line - otherwise I did not work)

Best regards

Urs

www.zoologi.biologi.lipi.go.id/reinwardtia/vol12/seri2/12(2)-3-Nepenthes.pdf

[ICPS-bob]

Thanks for the URL. I think the reason the link did not completely stick is because they used a parens ( in the URL.

The N. rigidifolia link has now been added to the Carnivorous Plant Database. As I become aware of additional links to species and cultivar descriptions, we can add those to the database also.