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Post by sarracenialover on Dec 14, 2007 22:33:32 GMT
1. What soil can I use to grow them in (perlite or long fiber sphagnum or bark)?
2. Do 80 degrees during the day then 65 degrees during the night and 85% humidity sufficient enough for this ultra highland species?
3. About what height does the plant have to grow before it produces its famous upper pitchers (need to know this because I can compare with the height of my terrarium)?
4. Can Aanyone show me some phtographs of their Inermis growing in their terrarium?
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Post by glider14 on Dec 14, 2007 23:21:32 GMT
all i can answer is 1 and 3...
1. open highlander mix. 1:2 LFS and perlite. or the mix i use 1:2 LFS and cypress mulch.
3. quite tall form what ive seen in pics. they will get maybe 6 inches high(from the top of the pot) then start to produce maybe 1 or 2 intermediates. itll be over a foot and a half...possibly more than 2 feet before you see real uppers.
Alex
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Post by Dave Evans on Dec 15, 2007 1:49:14 GMT
Hello Sarracenialover,
Nepenthes lowii and N. inermis will probably only do well with very high relative humidity. However, keeping them sealed up is not the way to go, because that will trap heat in with the plants. The best method I can think of would be to employ an ultra sonic, cool mist humidifier to help create conditions needed for them grow out large enough to make nice upper pitchers. Use only pure water and direct the mist in their general direction. N. inermis will need to be exposed to cooler nighttime temps (cooler than what N. lowii needs), at least now and then.
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Post by sarracenialover on Dec 15, 2007 1:52:11 GMT
i do have a fogger from exoterra that i use for my rajah often
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Post by glider14 on Dec 16, 2007 0:47:28 GMT
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Post by sarracenialover on Dec 16, 2007 3:36:17 GMT
how tall do they usually get? can I stop them when they get to 18 inches high without crowding them too much? also, can I also prune them to do this?
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Post by glider14 on Dec 16, 2007 3:57:46 GMT
N. inermis has been known not to make basals as readily as other plants. so clipping isnt as adviseable just to keep it small.
Nepenthes dont stop growing...they are vines and wont grow a certain height and stop. they start as a rosette. grow like that for anywhere from 3-5 years. then start to vine. later they flower along that vine keep growing. flower. and so on. they dont stop.
N. inermis isnt really a plant id advise unless you have lots of experience. dont let beauty fool you into buying a very expensive and rare nep. you have to know its needs. you need to get advise and experiences from growers of the plant too. i hear its a very difficult nep and gives problems to many. i really would advise you to look into what your buying very extensively.
Alex
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Post by vraev on Dec 16, 2007 4:59:48 GMT
personally based on your questions...I notice what Alex is getting at. As any other newcomer, you are perplexed by the top plants in the hierarchy. But as all of us, you "have" to give easier neps a try. If you go for hard neps right at the start...its going to be a upwards battle right from the beginning. ALl you end up with is disappointment, waste of money and a dead plant.
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Post by glider14 on Dec 16, 2007 5:17:09 GMT
and we all went through that stage too. when i first started i wanted a villosa and x trusmaidensis. i started with ventrata. then to ventricosa. then my TC mutant ventrata. to sanguinea and eventually to where i am with a nice aristolochioides and many others at home and a briggsiana and a 'Sabre' on the way  i now realize i probably wont be able to provide(or afford) for either of the two i wanted in the first place. start easy...way easy. then GRADUALLY work your way up. make sure that before you make the next step that the plant you have is growing well and pitchering well. Alex |
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Post by vraev on Dec 16, 2007 5:21:35 GMT
yup! My start was with a ventrata. I couldn't get that to pitcher for 6 months. Then once spring came and after it recovered from harsh conditions like me moving it in the frizzid -30C coldness outside, it finally started pitchering. Then I got a miranda and later ramispina and so on. It takes time mate. Don't do it harshly. THis is just advice as we have gone through the same stage. It takes a lot of commitment and time to grow these things. Hence, its better to start off easy with plants that don't need too much attention and then move up the chain. They'll probably even get cheaper in the years to come.
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Post by sarracenialover on Dec 17, 2007 0:53:50 GMT
actually, i have been been growing some nep hybrids from the beginning. Don't start assuming that I am a beginner. I also have a Nepenthes Rajah with 3 pitchers already. I'm asking these questions because I want to know if it will fit my terrarium for a while.
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Post by glider14 on Dec 17, 2007 1:28:51 GMT
and the rajah thing. first of all rajah dosent grow as fast as you say. and second it takes MANY months to make one pitcher... your plant probably came with those pitchers. as soon as it makes a leaf(start to finish) then makes a pitcher on THAT leaf. then you can say youve gotten it to pitcher. ive gotten my old one to pitcher... it took the plant 3 months to start a new leaf. make a pitcher and then for it to open. May- August... i still dont consider myself "all knowing" because i have. we know what we are saying... you are a beginner. if you werent a beginner then you would be growing Nepenthes for many many years. your new. face it. you have lots to learn. im a beginner. i am far from being an expert. its always best to "live and learn" but with Nepenthes it is "learn then live" neps hybrids, even if you had been growing them before you got your 3 Neps fro CC(which seemed like your first ones...), are cake compared to the reputation N. inermis gets. what nep hybrids have you grown? unless its something like kinabaluensis or some of the hybrids with the ultra highlander nepenthes...its going to be FAR easier than inermis. N. inermis IS an ultra highlander. it needs cooler conditions overall than rajah or sibuyanensis. rajah can tolerate and actually benefit with the warmer days. it does need night cooling. N. inermis is said to need cool contions in the day and an even cooler night time temperature. im done with this. you dont want to listen to anyone trying to give you very helpful advice. so im done trying to help you understand and not make the wrong choices.... buy the plant. i dont care anymore. Alex |
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Post by vraev on Dec 17, 2007 2:16:28 GMT
wahtever Alex!.... don't bother...we were just trying to help him. Its up to him if he wants to keep doing it the way he wants it.  yeah dude! btw...my rajah came with 3 pitchers...however....I don't say that it has pitchered as since those past 6 months...it hasn't made me a single pitcher. It made 6 leaves..but not a pitcher. These things can take an year to pitcher after repotting. (thats what I have gathered.) And yes...lol! i am a newbie as well. infact if I may say I am even more newbie than Alex here.  |
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Post by sarracenialover on Dec 17, 2007 2:37:15 GMT
ok ok, I am a "beginner", whatever you say. But, I'm not dumb you know. I know that anyone can buy a well grown plant and claim it as their own. You assumed the wrong thing again. My Rajah pitchered 3 times! Lol, but those are the tiny ones! ANyway, ok, I was being a little overeeactive. Thanks for your help. You say to get a beginners plant, but your last post criticized me for having an easier plant. Wow, listen to your own ADVICE! And, yes, I have been watching this plant for a month! I talked with other growers. PLus, who says I'm actually getting a plant That's all I have to say. I'll respond to any others who can give me info. This thread is not meant to be an arguement.
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Post by phissionkorps on Dec 17, 2007 2:42:29 GMT
Maybe they are assuming you're a beginner because you are apparently unclear about the basic growth habit of the plants for one...
As Alex said, inermis ain't too easy. I've never grown the thing, but from the reputation it has, I'm not going to even attempt it until I know I can provide the proper conditions, which, judging by the fact that I'm cheap, and even Texas isn't warm enough for me, will probably be never.
Off topic, but sibuyanensis can be grown in both highland and lowland conditions.
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i now realize i probably wont be able to provide(or afford) for either of the two i wanted in the first place. start easy...way easy. then GRADUALLY work your way up. make sure that before you make the next step that the plant you have is growing well and pitchering well.
