Nepenthes complex hybrids, what to do with them?

[adelea]

What is the go with varient hybrids, such as an Ampullaria "green" X Rafflesiana "white" is to Ampullaria "cantleys red" X Rafflesiana "red squat", the hybrid will obviously be a world apart, so if the plant was given a cultivar name, lets say "ampulesiana", would they both be called this because they are the same two species or would they get a seperate name each.

The prior names/hybrids came from thin air, just thought I would say.

[peterhewitt]

You would not call it that exact name because latinizing a word is for species plants only I think (there are exceptions) But yes, these two crosses would belong to the same Grex. This is a term used mostly in Orchid circles, but the nomenclature rules are the same. This Hybrid already has a name and is the naturally occurring N.Hookeriana, all crosses of this type even the reverse are N.Hookeriana

[Dave Evans]

May 2, 2014 21:08:02 GMT adelea said:

What is the go with varient hybrids, such as an Ampullaria "green" X Rafflesiana "white" is to Ampullaria "cantleys red" X Rafflesiana "red squat", the hybrid will obviously be a world apart, so if the plant was given a cultivar name, lets say "ampulesiana", would they both be called this because they are the same two species or would they get a seperate name each.

The prior names/hybrids came from thin air, just thought I would say.

Well, since the grex keeps being remake, you reuse the name. However, everyone will also understand that in the grex system, different batches of seed will result in plants with different colors and shapes--it is an inclusive system. When you personally remake a grex, you provide the breeding history of your seed batch (might even be a yearly thing if the plants are willing) and append your name or your company's name to the end of the name.

For Example:
N. Boulder Dash by Leilani
should be expected to look a little different than
N. Boulder Dash by Evans 1997
and possibly different again
N. Boulder Dash by Evans 2016--as that time I used different clones.


And if find your seed batch results in something rather unique, then you can still name it as a cultivar.

It is against the rules to combine species names into the hybrid names. There are several reasons for this. One, just to reduce confusion with non-sensical Latin translations and names which are too similar. If you use Latin, it is supposed to make sense by the rules of Latin and you can't just randomly slap letters together. Two, hybrids are at the same rank as species, they aren't "below" species and names should be similarly unique as the species in the genus. Three, it is just lazy. Name it after someone, something or some quality of the plant that is getting the name.

[Dave Evans]

May 2, 2014 22:58:40 GMT peterhewitt said:

You would not call it that exact name because latinizing a word is for species plants only I think (there are exceptions) But yes, these two crosses would belong to the same Grex. This is a term used mostly in Orchid circles, but the nomenclature rules are the same. This Hybrid already has a name and is the naturally occurring N.Hookeriana, all crosses of this type even the reverse are N.Hookeriana

Latin is no longer required, but making sense in whatever language you do use is still required! For example, someone somewhere came up with the name Drosera coccicaulis, which is stupid because it translates as: Berry like stem. Uh, really? I know what it means in Latin, but somehow I still don't know what it means in English. Thankfully the species was already named and that name "D. c." is superfluous.

When something has been published, you place the name in italics so the people reading it know it is a published name and they can look the article(s) explaining what the name refers to. We have several Nepenthes named without using Latin.

Nepenthes diatas Indonesian.
N. thai noun used in apposition.

Are two I can think of right away.

[adelea]

Thanks, I have always wondered about that.