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Post by sunbelle on Apr 7, 2007 17:02:24 GMT
Here are two mirabilis relatives that are often compared to each other, now photographed side by side for pitcher morphology study. Note the different lid structure, peristome shape and other details. The rowanae is still young, and we expect the pitchers will be much larger as the plant grows up. The leaf structure also shows some differences. In case you didn't know, the N. "Viking" (globosa) is on the left, N. rowanae on the right N. "Viking" (globosa) is on the right, N. rowanae on the left N. rowanae (a) from EP N. "Viking" (globosa) Look forward to hearing your comments. Michelle and Trent
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Post by BarryRice on Apr 9, 2007 17:56:44 GMT
Hey Trent,
Has the name "N. globosa" been published yet? If not yet, then who was going to do this? I've heard so many rumors.
So, do Those In The Know believe that all the so-called viking plants are an entity best treated as a separate species, i.e. "N. globosa"?
Barry
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Post by Sockhom on Apr 9, 2007 20:45:19 GMT
Hello . Thanks for this informative post, Sunbelle. I was wondering about the "Viking" description too . I thought Shigeo Kurata was working on it but it could be one those rumors mentioned by Barry. Whatever, Viking / Globosa, a wonderful plant, must be related to rowanae and mirabilis. For sure. Friendly, François.
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Post by sunbelle on Apr 9, 2007 21:15:35 GMT
Hi Barry and Francois, As far as i know, Kurata has not yet publish an official description of N. globosa, and personally, I'm reluctant to use that name until it is published. We really prefer to use the common name N. 'Viking' until Kurata publishes his description of it as a new species. We think it is a new species, but taxonomic study may prove it to be an extreme form of mirabilis. We do observe too many stable characteristics that are not common in other mirabilis forms--such as the glandular boss on the underside of the lid-plainly visible in the last pic of the N. Viking. In my opinion-and it's strictly conjecture- N. Viking and N. rowanae are examples of sympatric speciation that has occured since the end of the last ice age as Nepenthes are expanding both north and south of old territories.
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Post by rsivertsen on Apr 10, 2007 16:30:50 GMT
That "Globosa" sure looks an aweful lot like a possible N. bical x N. mirabilis hybrid! The pitcher profile, peristome and tendril are very similar to N. bicalcurata! Where did it come from?
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Post by sunbelle on Apr 10, 2007 18:49:26 GMT
N. Viking is found in a region of southwestern Thailand called Phang Nga. They are found on a couple of islands in the bay, and some areas on the mainland close by. There are other unusual forms of mirabilis and thorelii that have recently come to light. The leaf structure of Viking is very much like mirabilis, and without the pitchers, could easily be mistaken for a mirabilis plant. Also, these plants experience a dry season and a wet season that is more extreme than Borneo. This is evidenced in the unusual tuber-like root system found on these Thailand Nepenthes. Bottom line: don't think it's a bicalcarata hybrid.
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Post by BarryRice on Apr 11, 2007 0:29:00 GMT
Hi Barry and Francois, As far as i know, Kurata has not yet publish an official description of N. globosa, and personally, I'm reluctant to use that name until it is published. We really prefer to use the common name N. 'Viking' until Kurata publishes his description of it as a new species. Unfortunately, using the format N. 'Viking' is also a mistake, though, since that usage is cultivar format, and the plant has never been established as a cultivar. It is so variable that it really couldn't be either. It seems to me that the best way to refer to it would be something like " N. aff. mirabilis (Thailand)" or I suppose N. "Viking", although the double quotes run the risk of being confused for the single-quote cultivar convention. Oh well. Do the pitchers have the weak papery consistency of N. mirabilis pitchers? Barry
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Post by sunbelle on Apr 11, 2007 0:49:37 GMT
At this point, proper nomenclature for Viking has gone out the window. The Thai growers even have their own grading system, like Klom, Paan, grade A, "long neck" and the list goes on.... Chi'en Lee calls it Sp. Thailand, but there seems to be a few unknown species or forms of mirabilis from Thailand. The pitchers can be mirabilis like, but also sometimes they can be thick, it depends on the cultural conditions. For now, we are calling it N. Viking (like the Thai growers do) until a scientific name is published.
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