locko
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Post by locko on Apr 3, 2008 23:03:55 GMT
Now I understand the why you titled your intro as you did.
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Post by fredg on Apr 4, 2008 17:57:58 GMT
I'm not entirely sure what you mean locko ;D. I am puzzled by the accusation that I offended everyone else by telling them that I was right and they didn't know what they were talking about. This is just not true. The ones that don't know what they are talking about are the ones that disagree with me on the current topic, that is not everyone. It's called having a difference of opinion. You think you are right. I know I am right ;D Why anyone should be offended by a difference of opinion being aired in a forum beggars belief. A forum is supposed to be for dscussing and debating opinions. I have digressed enough. This link is to habitat photos by Phill Mann. Again there are no examples of very severe texturing icps.proboards105.com/index.cgi?board=cephalotus&action=display&thread=527
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Post by gardenofeden on Apr 4, 2008 21:24:01 GMT
kby, In the description John Hummer constantly refers to a single clone. The confusion with multiple clones may have arisen due to the *editor's note (of which I bet he now wishes he hadn't made). I agree, the description (repeatedly) refers to a single clone...
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Post by fredg on Apr 15, 2008 19:42:17 GMT
Is this colour ok?
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Post by Brian Barnes on Apr 15, 2008 21:12:37 GMT
What? No limp potato sacks? Awww...come on! We want "Eden Sack" ;D ;D Just kidding, lovely plant Fred! Happy Growing, Brian.
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Post by fredg on Apr 16, 2008 18:40:12 GMT
It's not an Eden Black though Brian ;D
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Post by kby on Apr 16, 2008 20:19:53 GMT
Who said it had to be an "Eden Black" to be an "Eden Sack"?-kby
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Post by kath on May 1, 2008 22:14:49 GMT
I have'nt actually grown Hummer's Giant Before, but I agree with fredg on the fact that that much extreme texturing doesn't seem normal, but then again it doesn't necesarrily mean that there's anything wrong with the plant. The plant looks happy, it's just different. Why it's different I've got no idea! As it is I haven't noticed any significant 'wrinkling' of my typical, but perhaps this is only for Giant's? Other than that, the plant looks happy, but I would still look into the texture. Try growing some cuttings etc. and see if the babies exhibit it too? If they do, try growing some in different conditions and see what happens. It could be interesting to see
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Post by picrophyll on May 4, 2008 15:24:19 GMT
I have sat on the side lines watching this war of words for too long.. Okay here I go, so get your flames ready. I am not an expert on Cephalotus by any means but consider that 40 years in the field and seeing more sites of Cephalotus than anyone else and more plants than you could dream about constitutes a considerable amount of knowledge.
Firstly fredg are you related to mobile.?
My personal opinion and it is only mine is that "Hummers Giant" is merely a good clone that grows well and nothing about giant bar the sales pitch. The reality is that the praise should be aimed at the grower for their ability to master the growing cycle of this beautiful plant..
When asked about preferred growing conditions by international growers, the first thing is that I advise, is to never grow the Cephs standing in water. The fastest was to promote root rot. Cephalotus grows on the slopes of the swamps where there is ample "moving" water but never still or stagnant, not at the base of the swamp. In summer many of the plants dry right out even as far as loosing all leaves and pitchers..
The pic at the start of this thread I described as mature, not as finished or over it's useby date so please stop reading your thoughts into my comments. There is freedom of opinion here and I respect that from all but not opressive comments "I'm right regardless, your not" and for those who consider they are expert growers confirms the defintion of expert as being, "X" is the unknown comodity in maths and "spert" is a drip under pressure.
A plant grown in culivated will differ from one to the next with vastly different growers conditions. Likewise in situ the plants can vary immensely from plant to plant in colour and often shape from one site to the next.
Sorry for the long thread, I promise I wont do it again. Cheers Phill.
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Post by Clint on May 4, 2008 16:53:31 GMT
Hehe, you didn't do anything wrong, and thank you for your words of wisdom.
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Post by mkburleson on May 4, 2008 21:43:47 GMT
So, Cephalotus is a plant that I am getting ready to get next year; I am 1 of those people who try to be over prepared . It sounds like they should do well in a greenhouse as long as you water from the top & do not keep them in a tray full of water? The temp range in our greenhouse; this depends on the time of year of course. is between 40 - 80 degrees. We also have tanks in the house for our lowland Neps etc. Is there some way that you CP'ers out there who successfully grow these have water running through them like if they were growing by a stream? Thanks, Mary
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Post by Randy Zerr on May 5, 2008 0:30:56 GMT
One simple way that I kept Cephalotus and other top watering plants moist without watering frequently was to set up a container of water, such as a gallon jug of rainwater up higher than the plant and use a section of flexible tubing and an adjustable clamp. I had a few laboratory clamps. Start a siphon and adjust the flow to just a drop every minute or so. This kept plants watered while away for days.
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Post by Aidan on May 5, 2008 3:31:51 GMT
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Post by Randy Zerr on May 5, 2008 4:05:01 GMT
Great information and pictures Mr. Aidan! But I feel the 5 pence coin for size reference is inappropriate. Maybe a gold sovereign would be better. Earlier I did a search on eBay for Cephalotus and find single plants selling for $20US and up. One 2 crowned plant was auctioned last week for US $118.45! What is going on people?
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Post by fredg on May 5, 2008 21:12:20 GMT
Firstly fredg are you related to mobile.? No, neither is mobile related to me. ;D When asked about preferred growing conditions by international growers, the first thing is that I advise, is to never grow the Cephs standing in water. The fastest was to promote root rot. I appreciate your 40 years experience in the field Phill. I only have 25 years experience of growing these plants in cultivation. I do grow wet, in trays and I always have. I don't get root rot. I still have my original plant. Carnivorous plants and cultivation techniques.... how many variations on a theme? Answers in email to gordon.brown@ brit.gov There is freedom of opinion here and I respect that from all but not opressive comments "I'm right regardless, your not" Why is that oppressive? If I am to argue a different / opposite point then I must take the view I am right. If I didn't believe I was right then there would be no point offering a different opinion. If we are not to differ, then the first one to post on any subject is right every time. Wouldn't that be wonderful. Edit I didn't answer one of your points Phill, I didn't think at first it was addressed to me. The pic at the start of this thread I described as mature, not as finished or over it's useby date so please stop reading your thoughts into my comments. Actually you describe the pitchers as being 'very old mature'. I proffered a possible translation , I never said that was what you meant, note the word 'can'. You will of course be posting to people who did misrepresent what you posted?
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