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Post by fredg on Apr 1, 2008 9:14:17 GMT
Just a quick additional question to kby.
Do you grow Hummer's giant?
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Post by gardenofeden on Apr 1, 2008 11:11:26 GMT
Fred, mine sit in water and DO pucker up, depending on the clone. Hummers Giant does, so does the clone from Dudley Watts...
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Post by fredg on Apr 1, 2008 11:59:15 GMT
Stephen,
Yes, Hummer's does have more of the orange peel texture to the pitchers than some other clones. I don't think they should look withered though.
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Post by picrophyll on Apr 1, 2008 13:38:35 GMT
Fred Clint's plants are far from appearing withered. I was in one of the swamps last week where the Cephs are all dried up, with all pitchers dead and only a few leaves. They will come back. Here is a pic from another site where it is wet all year round and gets full sunlight 11 months of the year. The texture on the pitchers of Clint's plant is typical of very old mature pitchers. When dry the lids droop closed very quickly to avoid excess evaporation from the pitchers. CMB site where I will take the ICPS conference tour this October Cheers Phill
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Post by kby on Apr 1, 2008 17:40:19 GMT
Just a quick additional question to kby. Do you grow Hummer's giant? I've gathered this one while on the larger side isn't a Hummer. Will try & post a pic sometime; but no good camera so they're usually too fuzzy to be interesting. I also think it's related to size/age/clone (pick any number); I had one before that had smallish pitchers and I don't remember it looking as reticulated.
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Post by kby on Apr 1, 2008 18:19:38 GMT
A related stoopid noobie kinda question; what are the standard measuring points used when mentioning pitcher size for cephs (i.e. "Hummer's Giant pitchers can be up to 3 inches long"—from where to where—presumably one end is the bottom of the pitcher/'toe' of the mocassin). I'm just thinking if it's the 'longest possible' that's going to depend a lot on the angle of the lid, which can vary a fair amount and isn't directly related to "size."-kby
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Post by brokken on Apr 2, 2008 3:03:02 GMT
I can't help thinking that those pitchers look cooked. They certainly don't look healthy to me. A little too much sun/light to get colour? Too dry? How should they look? Got pics?
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Post by mobile on Apr 2, 2008 7:02:03 GMT
To me, the picture of the pitchers in this post look plumper: icps.proboards105.com/index.cgi?board=cephalotus&action=display&thread=1631There does seem to be a growing trend to keeping Cephalotus on the dry side. I've seen some potted in what looks like an orchid mix, consisting of mostly bark. These plants grow in wetlands in their natural environment. I think that the fear of 'sudden death syndrome' has scared some people into keeping them dry but in my opinion this can sometimes be attributed to weak clones and too high humidity combined with poor air circulation.
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Post by fredg on Apr 2, 2008 9:51:19 GMT
brokken, just look at Phill's photo above of a plant in habitat. Also, there's Barry's photos of his field trip www.sarracenia.com/trips/au032007.htmlAll those plants look healthier than the photos of Clint's plant. So we have the situation where we take a plant and grow it under fully controlled conditions in a terrarium,without any extremes of climate, a complete absence of pests and diseases, and it looks worse than those in habitat. We have a choice here:- 1 Is this an inferior clone? 2 Is there a lack of good horticultural technique? 3 Have we just lost sight of what a good Cephalotus should look like? I tend towards the third option. What initially stood out in this thread were the replies to Clint congratulating him on the plant and how well grown it was. This surely is in error. From the habitat photos it would look better if it was just stuck in the ground and left to its own devices. Please, check out these links, surely we can at least match nature and have healthy looking plants as our goal.
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Post by mobile on Apr 2, 2008 10:59:55 GMT
We have a choice here:- 1 Is this an inferior clone? 2 Is there a lack of good horticultural technique? 3 Have we just lost sight of what a good Cephalotus should look like? ... or a combination of all three. Pictures of Cephalotus are often followed with comments of how good they look, no matter how they look. Another option is people are being polite just for the sake of it.
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Post by av8tor1 on Apr 2, 2008 14:43:55 GMT
Fred Clint's plants are far from appearing withered. I was in one of the swamps last week where the Cephs are all dried up, with all pitchers dead and only a few leaves. They will come back. Here is a pic from another site where it is wet all year round and gets full sunlight 11 months of the year. The texture on the pitchers of Clint's plant is typical of very old mature pitchers. When dry the lids droop closed very quickly to avoid excess evaporation from the pitchers. CMB site where I will take the ICPS conference tour this October Cheers Phill I see two people from Australia stating the look good, and when I read Barry's account the impression I get is he found the color to be extremely variable. When the people who live in Oz and visit cephs in their natural enviroment say they look good.. what better ref could you possibly have? fred, mobile... you left out option 4 4. The look just fine well done Clint!
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Post by mobile on Apr 2, 2008 14:56:33 GMT
av8tor1, I never made any specific references to Clint's plant. I will stand by my statement though, posts always say that the plants look good, even if they don't. Sort of makes it pointless.
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Post by av8tor1 on Apr 2, 2008 16:18:49 GMT
av8tor1, I never made any specific references to Clint's plant. I will stand by my statement though, posts always say that the plants look good, even if they don't. Sort of makes it pointless. Mobile, Not trying to stir up mud, but when you and fred made your statements as a reply to JLAP's thread, you must admit the inferences were made... and if that was your intention then thats ok its your opinion and I respect that. But please respect eveyone's else opinion as well. Cheers' Av
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Post by fredg on Apr 2, 2008 16:59:13 GMT
Naughty naughty Av8tor, you repost Phill's post and misquote him / intimate that he is saying the plant looks good.
Nowhere in that post does it say that.
He simply gives his opinion that it is not withered.
He does say that the pitchers are very mature, which can be taken as meaning 'passed their best'
It is NOT a plant in it's prime.
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Post by av8tor1 on Apr 2, 2008 17:50:04 GMT
Hi Clint, They look great, and they've got some really nice colour to them. Take heart PlantAKiss, they will grow big, it just takes time. The ones that Phill gave to me are pushing 6.5 cms now and I'm guessing the bigger ones were over 5 years old before I got them as there is 5 flowering points in the one pot. I would love to get my hands on a Hummers Giant as it's such a thrill to see REALLY big ceph's. Keep us posted on the progress of your guys Clint. Dave. oops youre right, my apologies... let me quote another Av
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