Experienced help with plant compatablility; more

[sdcps]

I would not be tedious to the community, but this is a weighty...excuse the pun for something with a possible weight of nearly 1000lbs...matter.

I am designing my first--and only bog garden. It is to be portable via six 175lb wheels, so that I can take it with me If we move. It will be four feet long, by two feet wide, by 20inches tall. This doesn't include the wheel part, only the wooden rectangle. I do know how to waterproof things and such as I have built a stand for my plants with two levels. Here is a picture of the stand:


My questions arise from my location: San Diego California. The temperatures only stoop low enough to frost. I have heard that I cannot grow many winter-loving species like d. Rotundifolia etc. I further complicate matters by insisting on only North American plants--a true North American bog. Finally, the species need to be PURE. So now we have a Purely Populated North American Bog

I want to know what plants I can put in there--and once I know what all I'm going to put in it...I need help getting some of them.

I am planing on: (8 square feet of soil) [those without a number are going to be many]

S. Flava--I have var. maxima and var "veined" I would like to use maxima. X 1
S. Minor X 1
S. Leucophylla or S. Alata X 1

Venus flytraps

D. filliformis tracyii X 2
D. rotundifolia
D. anglica
D. intermedia

P. lutea X 2

U. something (if possible)

The Problem

Due to my temperatures, I am not sure if all these things will take mild winters. I have recieved seeds from Alaskan rotundifolia plants. I am not sure if those Alaskan rotundifolias can tolerate my summers, or my mild winters. This is what I need help with. What will grow in my area?

I also have another need. I don't have all these plants! If any one has______ I would greatly appreciate trading with them:

[Aidan]

Dec 13, 2009 6:55:19 GMT sdcps said:

I am new here, so I have one more question to ask, is there a section specifically dedicated to trading?

In one word, 'No'.

See this earlier thread for the reasons why -

icps.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rules&action=display&thread=8

[sdcps]

Thank you Aidan. I see why--this society is international.

I will modify my above post.

I have heard form someone else that everything will do fine in the bog, except a little special treatment for the rotunidfolia.

Is this true?

[kulamauiman]

you may want to look into some of the California populations of D. rotundifolia. Some may need less cold. I have one that popped up as hitchhiker in some LFS or peat. It isn't large but it has grown for me for several years now. And we do not get cold enough to freeze for any length of time. Frost ever few years (none that I can remember in the past 10). But it isn't a large plant. It will probably get overgrown by the capensis seedlings that have sprouted.

that may be the more importing thing to consider. rotundifolia and anglica are not large plants. I think most of the north american native drosera save filliformis are kind of small and will get overgrown by the Sarracenia.

Have you contemplated the D. rotundifolia 'Charles Darwin' selection? It doesn't seem to need a much cold, although it has gone dormant for me.......

[sdcps]

I really would like some plants of the northern California population. I just don't know where to get them! I would like to trade...so If anybody has some of those that they want to trade, that would be great. I can only send to the U.S

I would be content with 'Charles Darwin' but rather the larger (not than 'darwin' but than the costal site) one from Willow Lake, N. Plumas Co or similar.

Oh...I am looking for:

P. Lutea
D. rotundifolia-california population
D-other warmer natives to USA

I have a good deal of stuff. Please PM me if you want to trade. I can prove to you my reputability as a trader.

Hmm, small size might be a problem. Hopefully I can get one of the larger varieties.

[brokken]

You probably mean P. lutea.
One other thing to keep in mind about your 'all American' garden is that some species like D. anglica have distributions that span several continents.
I would also like to point out that some of the sarras in the first picture that you posted look like sarracenia crosses.

Good luck with your project.

[gardenofeden]

Dec 15, 2009 9:22:15 GMT brokken said:

You probably mean P. lutea.

I would also like to point out that some of the sarras in the first picture that you posted look like sarracenia crosses.

not to mention Drosera binata! D.rotundifolia grows fine with winter minimum of 5C in my greenhouse.

[sdcps]

Yes, I mean P. lutea.

I am aware that the VAST majority of those sars are unpure. I can name them for you too:

The green one: Flava sp. maxima-pure
The one behind the stake: Leuco x winslii (however you spell it)
In front of that, you have S. lecophylla 'tarnok'
There are three 'Judith Hindles' in a row.
Minors are off to the right.-pure

There are dichotomas and 'alba' capensises in the bowl.
I could go on and name the bladderworts you can't see, but I will stop there.

Thanks for the tip about the algilca. I will be violating my 'All American Bog' by introducing intermedia from Canada--unless I can find an American one. LOL, Is atlata 'maroon throat' just a variation in the species?

I hope I can get the CA rotundifolia!

[w03]

I thought that P. lutea was pretty sensitive, and rots easily...

In any case, I don't have any to trade, but there is an auction for several of them on eBay.

[sdcps]

Well then, what other American pings would do well in my bog?

[w03]

I'm not exactly sure, but I've heard that P. primuliflora does well as long as it is kept in dappled sun.

[sdcps]

And wet conditions. No. P. Lueta likes the drier side. that is how my bog will be.

Anyone willing to offer me a D. Rotundifolia

How about my question. Are there any plants (sars NA sundews) that won't work in my bog?

What about my rotundifolia from Alaska?

[Michael]

I'm guessing the Alaskan D. rotundifolia isn't going to do the heat and lack of cold well, and the photoperiod may also be an issue. Depending on where the seed came from in AK, you could have anywhere from 19-24 hours of light at summer soltice in June, with average summer temps around my area range from mid 40's F (night) to mid 70's F...and winter temps can hit -40 F at times in some places.

I'd go for some of the warmer climate varieties.

[sdcps]

I have built my bog! I just need to finish painting it, put two more wheels on it, and and fill it with media. What mix should I use. I'm thinking of putting 2 and 1/2 inches of lava rock on the bottom, the rest I want to make 50:50 peat and quartz sand. If this feasable, or do I need perlite?

I'm going to be searching for CA rotundifolia!

[marcel]

Perlite in an outdoor setting will work its way to the surface, it more or less "floats" so I don't use it in large containers or bogs that are outside.