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Post by matti on Sept 22, 2007 1:18:52 GMT
I have just discovered a flower on one of my sarracenia hybrids that I germinated back in 2005, must be a record or something. ;D
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Post by armagedon48 on Sept 22, 2007 2:12:27 GMT
when can we see a photo? sounds exciting!
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Post by Hikenyura on Sept 22, 2007 3:21:28 GMT
Do you mean its two more years to maturity of its 2 years old. In both cases that sounds amazing! It can be a cultivar even.
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Post by matti on Sept 22, 2007 10:12:45 GMT
I created the hybrid back in spring 2004, around this time of year and germinated the seed the following autum (2005) and now september 2007 she flowers!. It is a rubra ssp.gulfensis x leucophylla, it's pitchers start off with a pink rim throat and lid and then turn a black/purple.  |
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Post by Hikenyura on Sept 22, 2007 15:56:52 GMT
If it does make a cultivar what are you going to name it?>.<
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Post by Alexis on Sept 22, 2007 17:54:19 GMT
Why should a fast maturing plant be a cultivar?
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Post by Hikenyura on Sept 22, 2007 23:41:09 GMT
Because it has a genetic difference of fast growing. If all it's genetics make it flower in 3 years than it's different than all the rest of the rubra ssp.gulfensis x leucophylla. That's how I understand cultivars atleast, one of thos vigerous growing ones.
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Post by ICPS-bob on Sept 23, 2007 1:46:40 GMT
If indeed Matti's plant has a genetic proclivity to mature and flower in 2 years from seed and is not simply an artifact of Matti's great growing conditions, then one might consider it to be a special plant.
To qualify as a registered cultivar, one needs to describe the characteristics that makes that plant unique from other plants. It is strongly suggested that the registrant verify that those unique characteristics are stable and not simply an artifact of the registrant's growing conditions by asking other people to cultivate the plant to see if those unique characteristics are stable under differing growing conditions.
However, it would be a long and arduous road to demonstrate this. Clones of this plant grown by Matti or others would not replicate growth from seed, since these clones would be vegetative reproductions of Matti's plant and not new plants starting from seed. If Matti was to self-pollinate his plant and all seedlings resulting there from were to mature and flower in 2 years for numerous growers under differing conditions, then one might conclude that his special plant's early maturity was transmitted to selfed offspring. Such transmission of special characteristics to seedlings is not usually necessary for a cultivar, because the registrant might specify vegetative reproduction is required. However, in the case of early maturation from seed to flower, unusual conditions might be required.
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Post by Alexis on Sept 23, 2007 2:04:17 GMT
I'm not getting this cultivar idea!
If you receive a plant that has apparently flowered in year 2, so what? That has no effect on you growing the plant. It will just be a normal plant wich happened to flower in its second year.
I've had plants flower in year 3, and any sarracenia kept in maximum light and warm temperatures for 24 months could probably be forced to flower in the second year.
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Post by matti on Sept 23, 2007 6:43:18 GMT
I'm not getting this cultivar idea! If you receive a plant that has apparently flowered in year 2, so what? That has no effect on you growing the plant. It will just be a normal plant wich happened to flower in its second year. I've had plants flower in year 3, and any sarracenia kept in maximum light and warm temperatures for 24 months could probably be forced to flower in the second year. My plants have not had any special treatment like that on the ICPS seed bank page, They have been exposed to the seasons since they were germinated, I have all of the other plants that I germinated from the same seed batch out growing in pots in the same conditions and none of them has shown a hint of a flower at this time. If it were someone else it would be apploded to be registered as a cultivar but since it is me... well time to protest.  |
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Post by Hikenyura on Sept 23, 2007 7:55:06 GMT
Really, you were able to get a sarracenia to flower in two years Alexis, that's amazing.
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Post by matti on Sept 23, 2007 9:07:52 GMT
Really, you were able to get a sarracenia to flower in two years Alexis, that's amazing. ;D ;D ;D I think it is more a case of if "we" have not done it yet, it dose not matter. This is what the plant looked like in january, they grow fast. I attribute my sucess to my super secret fertiliser mix. ;D  |
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Post by stevestewart on Sept 23, 2007 13:31:44 GMT
IMHO
Sarracenia rubra and S. leucophylla make the nicest hybrids when crossed with each other. I think you will be pleased with the flower(s) when they open, and lots of sturdy colorful pitchers. Don't forget to smell them (new pitchers and flowers)!
Your plant looks like a good one!
Take care,
Steven Stewart
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Post by matti on Sept 23, 2007 20:32:20 GMT
Thanks mate, it's abit weedy at the moment and needs a trim, what color are the flowers? I want a hybrid that produces orange ones. I already have one that makes pink ones.
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Post by Alexis on Sept 23, 2007 21:00:05 GMT
No, if I got a plant to flower in a year, it still wouldn't be worth registering as a cultivar because there would be no discernable difference to anyone growing it in future. If you had a plant which grew an unusually massive numbers of flowers each year, or there was something actually special about the flowers, then yes, because it would have a feature that could be replicated and enjoyed by subsequent growers.
I'm not taking anything away from your growing skills, or saying that your plant isn't attractive, I'm just saying time to maturity isn't a tangible trait that would be worth a cultivar registration in my opinion.
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