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Post by gregantula on Aug 7, 2014 19:22:18 GMT
So, I've got the carnivorous leaves going, flowers (the pic is old, but there are now three open, and two MORE buds coming up...). The crown has even split. Hoping this picture get's me an ID. I understand it is more than likely a moranensis, or a cross thereof... Please let me know what you think, I'm super excited that it's doing so well!!! Here is the link: www.flickr.com/photos/98031810@N07/14818039494/
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Post by ICPS-bob on Aug 8, 2014 16:41:08 GMT
Nice plant. It is difficult to identify precisely, but P. moranensis has a wide diversity of flowers. If we knew where you got it, that might help.
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Post by Joseph Clemens on Nov 22, 2014 17:38:25 GMT
Beautiful unidentified Mexican/equitorial Pinguicula plant. Often, that they are unique and beautiful is enough of an identification for me to keep them and to keep growing them. I take photographs of them, too. I once had a Mexican/equitorial clone with beautiful red leaves [(I called it P. (Red 1)]. I kept it for many years, but it never flowered for me, making it virtually impossible for me to identify. So, I propagated a group of them, and distributed them among a few other growers, hoping that one of us might get the plant to flower. Someone did, and it was identified as a clone of Pinguicula laueana. After I knew it was P. laueana, I realized it needed cold nights to get it to bloom, and I was then able to bloom it for myself. This is what P. (Red 1) looked like without flowers. In summer leaf form. Here is that link rziemer.cpphotofinder.com/rziemer/zphotos/P_Red.htmlICPS-bob was the first grower to flower my unidentified P. (Red 1).
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Post by Dave Evans on Nov 23, 2014 20:00:49 GMT
P. laueana looks just like a P. moranensis to me. It just has a longer dormancy period and red, larger flowers. This is related to the pollinator which I believe is a humming bird. Humming bird flowers all have certain features in common, they are larger than flowers of their closest relatives pollinated by insects, they are orange-red to scarlet and have a longer and expanded tube to fit the shape of the humming birds' tongues.
So literally, P. laueana is a P. moranensis that has had its evolution directed by its pollinating birds. It probably is a different species, but it is still P. moranensis's twin.
And they should then flower during the timing window when the birds show up during their migrations... Red colored plants make for red colored cliffs which let the birds see the plants from even further away...
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Post by natchgreyes on Jan 2, 2015 0:01:05 GMT
I agree with Bob's suggestion that it's probably moranensis (or what we currently place in the moranensis complex).
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Post by Dave Evans on Jan 6, 2015 1:46:52 GMT
Is there any reason not to think this is Pinguicula 'Weser'?
Looks about right to me...
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Post by Joseph Clemens on Jan 10, 2015 7:14:44 GMT
For me, it's not difficult to unequivocally say that the photo, hosted on "flicker" by the OP, does not exactly match the photo standard, that was published by Slack - and has been reliably scanned and posted on the web, by several. There are just too many differences in the photographic standard and the photo of this unidentified plants flower. If the appearance of additional flowers, were also compared to the standard, perhaps confidence could be increased. For instance, the unidentified flower has corolla lobes that flare, and are then somewhat squared off, and P. 'Weser' corolla lobes appear shorter, with rounded outer edges, giving the entire flower a more rounded appearance. The darker markings around the white markings near the center of the flower, are much less pronounced, virtually blending into the overall darker color of the corolla lobes. And unidentified seems to have more space between every corolla lobe, while P. 'Weser' only seems to have these open spaces between the top two corolla lobes and the bottom three (with the bottom three lobes significantly overlapping each other), and with a space between the top two lobes. If you carefully and critically compare, all the photos, linked through the CP Photofinder, you will see that few of them actually match the photo standard, closely enough to actually be considered a match.
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Post by Dave Evans on Jan 12, 2015 22:30:41 GMT
In order for someone's flowers to look exactly like Slack's, one would have to duplicate all his conditions...
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Post by ICPS-bob on Jan 13, 2015 21:32:55 GMT
That is one of the "joys" of the cultivar system. Your plant/flower needs to look like the standard photo and description. Many of the descriptions or photos are so poor that it is impossible to determine if an unknown plant matches the original. Or, an ignorant or unscrupulous grower may simply give their plant the cultivar name to increase its value. As a result lots of bogus plants are being circulated as a particular cultivar -- buyer beware. P. 'Weser' is one of the most notorious. Fortunately, the published P. 'Weser' flower photo is distinctive and there are a few plants around the match the photo closely.
I agree with Joseph that the plant does not exactly match the photo standard -- and in the mode of being conservative, I would not call the plant P. 'Weser'. It is a nice plant and flower. If, for some reason, a nice plant of unknown pedigree needs a name, call it P. "Gregantula" (double quotes indicating an unregistered local name).
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Post by natchgreyes on Jan 14, 2015 0:10:24 GMT
Thank you, Bob.
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Post by Dave Evans on Jan 14, 2015 23:08:36 GMT
Err, Bob, they just confused the name 'Sethos' with 'Weser'... The notorious "Fake Weser" is 'Sethos' multiplied under the wrong name.
The flowers change shape and there are slight changes to the coloration. For example, Weser often has a darker purple around the white stripe, but not always.
Anyway, like you guys say, I can't actually match the flower, but I've seen 'Weser' make flowers like that... Maybe Natch can watch as his plant makes more flowers and see if they appear different as the season progresses.
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Post by Aidan on Jan 15, 2015 0:15:24 GMT
P. 'Weser'
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Post by Dave Evans on Jan 15, 2015 20:31:31 GMT
Beautiful photos Aidan,
On my screen, the flowers seem much more red than I've ever seen in person... The flowers in real life are much closer to variations of lilac.
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Post by natchgreyes on Jan 15, 2015 22:10:57 GMT
I don't have P. 'Weser'...
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Post by Joseph Clemens on Jan 16, 2015 2:50:04 GMT
My initial introduction to Pinguicula. 'Weser' and Pinguicula. 'Sethos', was when I acquired a small division that was identified to me as Pinguicula 'Weser'. I soon propagated a few dozen by leaf-pullings, and began trading and giving them away. Fortunately, I soon began researching the origins of Pinguicula. 'Weser'. While doing this, I discovered that the plant I was growing and distributing, was actually Pinguicula 'Sethos', and not Pinguicula. 'Weser'. I quickly contacted those I had distributed the plant to, so they would know the true identification of this plant. Since then I have been much more careful, in verifying the actual identities of the plants I grow, especially prior to propagating and distributing them.
A few years ago, I did manage to obtain specimens of the actual cultivar, Pinguicula 'Weser'. I grew it under many different conditions, and can report that its flower appeared quite recognizably, near-identical to the standard photo, despite the, sometimes extremely variable conditions. I grew discrete multiple divisions of this Pinguicula 'Weser' I had obtained from Travis. Thank you Travis.
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