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Hybrids
May 22, 2014 15:11:14 GMT
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Post by silenicus on May 22, 2014 15:11:14 GMT
Hybrids seem to be extremely popular. I'm wondering what are the reasons for preferring hybrids to natural species?
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Post by paulbarden on May 22, 2014 15:19:56 GMT
Hybrids seem to be extremely popular. I'm wondering what are the reasons for preferring hybrids to natural species? Hybrids are often far easier to grow than species, which tend to far less forgiving of errors in cultivation technique.
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Hybrids
May 25, 2014 18:21:55 GMT
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Post by silenicus on May 25, 2014 18:21:55 GMT
Thanks. I didn't realize that. I have a few hybrids in my collection, but mostly species.
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Post by tanukimo on May 25, 2014 23:10:58 GMT
They are also cheaper in general, and there is more supply for them.
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Post by adelea on May 25, 2014 23:46:15 GMT
I prefer species plants, but hybrids can be an option for what you can't grow, for example I can't grow hamate here as its to hot, but if I just like the teeth than I can source a hyrid with hamate that can grow here, but I think that the hybrid vigour is the main reason people like them, some hybrids are hard to kill, campanulata for example goes well for me but I have to baby it (water, light and humidity must be right or they sulk), campanulata X ventricosa on the other hand looks very similar (broad lip) and grow like a weed in an array of conditions. Also, as Tanukimo said they are cheap, a campanulata at 10cm costs any where from $50-80 here in Au, but a campanulata X ventriocsa is only $20-25 for a 20cm plant.
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Post by marcel on May 26, 2014 10:15:48 GMT
Thing with hybrids is that they are sort of a fashion statement. You can breed something you want like color x hight (or at least try to). I prefer true species or at least natural hybrids because: a) If you have the species, you can always make a cross in the future b) people go overboard with things like severly disformed VFT's in hybrids which I really don't like. c) They can get very expensive for no other reason than "fashion" or collectors feaver.
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Post by paulbarden on May 26, 2014 15:25:55 GMT
c) They can get very expensive for no other reason than "fashion" or collectors feaver. I don't think this is particularly applicable in this context, since "collectors fever" is much more often seen in connection to species. I've yet to encounter any hybrid that came with a price tag anywhere near that of -- for example -- N. edwardsiana, or N. villosa, etc, etc.
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Post by marcel on May 26, 2014 17:59:27 GMT
c) They can get very expensive for no other reason than "fashion" or collectors feaver. I don't think this is particularly applicable in this context, since "collectors fever" is much more often seen in connection to species. I've yet to encounter any hybrid that came with a price tag anywhere near that of -- for example -- N. edwardsiana, or N. villosa, etc, etc. Have a look at some very troubled flytraps or Cepholotus mate, Tulipmania galore
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Hybrids
May 29, 2014 16:43:59 GMT
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Post by silenicus on May 29, 2014 16:43:59 GMT
I always thought of hybrids as an attempt to produce something specific like red, white, and blue traps. But I keep seeing dealers offer new hybrids with no idea of what it's going to look like. I will admit though, my hybrid Nepenthes has been a lot less trouble than my species. It's a charming and cooperative plant. If that is typical, I can see the appeal.
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Post by southbaytraps on Oct 31, 2014 9:35:20 GMT
I partially agree to the "fashion statement" part but growing hybrids can be really fun. Purchasing hybrids "grow from seed" is a bit of a gamble but sometimes the results can really nice. I have some seed grown nep's that are amazing, and some that didnt grow well at all. Here is a picture of one of my first Venus Flytrap Hybrid which was a B52 crossed with my favorite unidentified. Out of the batch of seeds, i ended up with about 4 unique plants... This one is at least twice as large as the rest of the batch and blood red. Can't wait until next summer to see what happens when it matures!
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Post by paulbarden on Oct 31, 2014 12:53:32 GMT
Dionaea cultivars bred by selective mating are still not hybrids since "hybrid", by definition, is the crossing of two different species. Dionaea is monospecific (represented by a single species) and so these aren't really hybrids, just carefully bred selections of the species. It's a subtle but important distinction.
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Hybrids
Nov 1, 2014 1:26:06 GMT
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Post by southbaytraps on Nov 1, 2014 1:26:06 GMT
Thanks for correcting me, I have the habit of using the word 'hybrid' whenever I start with Dionaea A x Dionaea B and seeds yield something in between or unique. Its amazing how much genetic variation is packed into them.
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