Savage Garden moranensis types

[Apoplast]

I was paging though the Savage Garden recently and began to wonder what ended up being decided about the identity of the letter types of Pinguicula moranensis. Unfortunately, typing"G" or "D" after the species binomial into search engines (including the one for this forum) did not yield the results I had hoped to discover.

I'm sure someone on this forum must know, were these types eventually determined to be different species or subspecies, or do they remain as part of the P. moranensis complex? If the latter, are they still referred to by these letter types or do they have new names?

And the big question, what was the reasoning for the shifts if any?

[jeff]

have you a flower picture for these 2?

have you see here a world of pinguicula all the moranensis rubric .

and the ZAMUDIO documents.

jeff

[Apoplast]

Thanks or the response Jeff. I am familiar with the wonderful site "World of Pinguicula". Unfortunately, I do not grow these strains and could hardly recognize them by sight.

Because they are described in the book "The Savage Garden" which is a popular book for beginners in, at least, English speaking countries, I'm sure these types must also be familiar to avid ping growers. When the book came out (perhaps 1998 or so), there seemed to have been less settled about the taxonomy of Mexican pings. I'm still hoping someone knows if the varieties were eventually formally described.

Come on ping experts, I'm look at you all.

[jeff]

I have not this book .

may be you can in PM ,if you have a scane ,
show us the two pictures of the described species, or even their description.

jeff

[gardenofeden]

Peter assigned code "A" to "O" to all the plants he grows which he thinks might be moranansis. He only describes 3 of them in the book and not in great detail. This seems to be his personal code, so you would be better off asking Peter direct if he has resolved the names of all the codes he mentions.

[Apoplast]

GofE - Thanks good to know. Sounds like I need to e-mail Peter then. I guess I hoped this information was more readily available as the description in the "Savage Garden" is probably first understanding of P. moranensis for just about everyone in No. America and possibly a majority of the English speaking world. These clones were widely distributed and if they are not, they should be correctly identified. This furthers my belief that "The Savage Garden" needs a new edition.

Damion, convince Peter to do a second editions with you! I'd buy a second edition, and I'll bet others would too.

Jeff - My scanner is having problems, so I'll PM you in the next day or so with picts of the pages. Hopefully that will work.

[ICPS-bob]

Here is an email reply from Peter:

I commented to some guy named Alex that I imagine many of the lettered P. moranensis types have been identified or named and will be researching this over the next year as I complete the revision/second edition of the Savage Garden which will be published in 2013.

[Apoplast]

Hi Bob - Thanks for checking with Peter. A second edition of the "Savage Garden" is great news. And it sounds like my question may well be answered in it. Perfect.

[bluemax]

An updated edition sounds very good. I am hoping for more information on Petiolaris sundews (if you're out there, Peter.)

- Mark

[gardenofeden]

Oct 26, 2011 22:38:35 GMT Apoplast said:

I guess I hoped this information was more readily available as the description in the "Savage Garden" is probably first understanding of P. moranensis for just about everyone in No. America and possibly a majority of the English speaking world.

for me it was Adrian Slack's books initially then Fernando/Oliver's excellent series of online postcards from Mexico...most of the content of which is now incorporated into A World of Pinguicula ;D

Edit: just found a more direct link to the postcards:
www.pinguicula.org/pages/pages_principales/changes.htm

[Apoplast]

GofE - I completely agree that the website "A world of Pinguicula" is a wonderful resource. And I am sure that the first books people obtained about cultivating CP's vary between individuals (there are certainly plenty of them out there).

My comment about the popularity of "The Savage Garden" was motivated by - well, popularity. I'm told it is the biggest selling book on CP's out there. I might have been misinformed, but I suspect the number of copies out there have made it a gateway book, if you will, to CP addiction for many, myself included.

Hi Mark - I hope Peter will do lots of updating in regards to the diversity and variety of CP's that are now recognized. For example, in the first edition, Genlisea was not much more than a footnote and inspiring picture of a Jeff Wong cultivated plant. Roridula has so much more know about its associated hemipterans.

I feel like the cultivation information hasn't changed dramatically, which is why the book is still so useful for so many, but there are a deal of species which have been recognized since. Many petiolaris dews included.