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Post by picrophyll on Feb 7, 2011 11:50:06 GMT
While trudging through the swamps here in the south, avoiding the tiger snakes and ticks Richard and I have come accross this form. I have decided to give it the label of AN-225 for now until growth trials to see if it will carry through the larger size. The small pitcher between is 3.5cm normal pitcher. Not only were the pitchers larger, but the leaves were huge.
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Post by eric on Feb 7, 2011 17:59:47 GMT
Thats a beautiful Cephalotus! So, this is a Cephalotus found in the wild? What kind of conditions was it growing in? Medium, temp, humidity, etc. Its very nice looking.
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Post by peterhewitt on Feb 7, 2011 18:18:09 GMT
Errr wild collection,... aren't we opposed to that? Not to be snarky or anything, but we were just looking at pictures of a destroyed Cephalotus site not too long ago. Obviously if you have permits the rant is moot, but if not.....?
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Post by Myles on Feb 7, 2011 23:28:30 GMT
What gives? Why is there any need to remove them from the wild? Not cool at all
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Post by picrophyll on Feb 8, 2011 13:18:48 GMT
My we are quick to jump at the throat. Permits were obtained but not used as if you look hard it's two pitchers and two leaves. It's really wonderful to share these things only to get flamed as such. Thanks but no more for me.
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Post by peterhewitt on Feb 8, 2011 15:09:21 GMT
I don't understand what you mean by "its two pitchers and two leaves"?. It makes little difference if you removed the plant or just the leaves. You seem a little defensive. If you read the ICPS rules you will note that this organization is strongly opposed to Unlicensed wild collection. The board is also full of people who care, and want to help reduce the pressures on wild populations. Your post mentions nothing of just two leaves and two Pitchers and also mentions nothing of your permit. I for one would always be careful on how I word a post such as this. Anyone who did not know better, might think its OK to just remove plants from the wild. There was no "Flame"intended from my side. You could simply have mentioned your permit, and perhaps also why you feel this plant absolutely had to be removed from the wild.
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Post by eric on Feb 8, 2011 16:43:39 GMT
No "flame" intended here either. I was genuinely curious.
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Post by Myles on Feb 8, 2011 23:53:48 GMT
yeah.... didn't mean to attack just made me a bit angry seeing that tray full of Cephalotus after you talk bout finding em in the wild.
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Post by simran on Mar 11, 2011 9:17:48 GMT
Thats a beautiful photograph. If I see it carefully, It looks like an insect. I was sacred for a second when I watched. The photo is very clear . You did great job.
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Post by joegriffin on Jul 30, 2011 17:40:14 GMT
Geesh, the guy has been growing cp longer than most of you have been alive, so I think he knows the rules. I think it's commendable that he had the permit to take the whole plant and took only four potential propagules instead. Anyhoo....sorry for digging up the old thread. I am behind on reading forums.
Joe
PS That's huge , Phill.
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Post by peterhewitt on Jul 30, 2011 18:15:52 GMT
So have many poachers..... been growing whatever, for longer than most of us have been alive(I am certainly not accusing Phill of Poaching). This does not mitigate potential Damage. If phil is as Experienced as you say he is, he would understand why some people have concerns. No one was accusing him of anything. we were just asking questions. Since Phil has declined to even entertain our concerns, we are left to make our own assumptions.
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Post by joegriffin on Jul 30, 2011 18:43:06 GMT
Okay, I'll bite. What are the concerns of taking two pitchers and two leaves, and what are the assumptions?
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Post by peterhewitt on Jul 30, 2011 18:58:17 GMT
I am not trying to "Bait" you Joe. The concerns are, that without word to the contrary, any Newbie, might think it is OK to remove plants, or parts thereof from a protected Habitat, because they see something Unique in it. Removing pieces of plants leaves scars, which are an open invitation to pathogens. There are already many "Giant" clones in cultivation, we simply wanted to know, why another plant had to be removed from an already marginal population. Just weeks before this post, we saw pictures of a totally destroyed Cephalotus site. Phill mentioned (after the fact) that he had the relevant permits.... we left it at that.
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Post by joegriffin on Jul 30, 2011 19:15:08 GMT
I'm not feeling baited, Peter. Just enjoying the conversation. If it's more than that to you, I truly apologize, as I was not trying to antagonize you. I think the plants in situ are pretty tough compared to our cultivated ones(I think there was a prior post by Phill showing them growing in pure, hot sand), but I had never thought of pathogens. I would certainly defer to you on that, as you live close to wild cp. I live in cp Hell. I have no idea how the other giant clones came into cultivation, but they are darn expensive here(other than HG). I would love to get some, some day. I actually had "normal" cephs back in the day with 7.5 cm pitchers, so sometimes I am dubious to how different these clones are. I understand the concerns-I guess I just tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. Especially when I have known them personally for, maybe 15 years? Anyway, sorry to ruffle your feathers.
Cheers,
Joe
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Post by peterhewitt on Jul 30, 2011 19:33:52 GMT
Dont worry Joe, no offense taken. At the time I was just wandering about the wisdom of posting these pictures, so soon after someone had destoyed a site. But I certainly did not mean to cause any offense to phill. Or intimate that he had anything to do with it. I do live close to wild CP habitat, and also to Disa Habitat. I often see locals selling these plants on local sales sites and this does irritate and concern me, since they are well represented in cultivation. I am actaully very sorry that Phill took offense, since none was intended. I really think we have the most to learn from Old hands such as he, and hope he can forgive what he saw as a flame, but was just genuine concern.
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