iggy
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Post by iggy on Sept 15, 2010 22:06:33 GMT
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Post by okapisrule on Sept 16, 2010 0:30:22 GMT
How did those purpureas get to France? They obviously do pretty well there.
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Post by PitcherPlanter on Sept 16, 2010 21:14:11 GMT
When the Super continent Pangaea was around there was no oceans separating the continents so the purple pitcher plants could spread to Europe. This is the same with Genlisea, Nepenthes, Ibicella and Proboscidea, Drosophyllum and Triphyophyllum, Aldrovanda, Byblis, Drosera, ect. -But some addapt and change to their invroment making them different species but very similar. Example Ibicella and Proboscidea both devil's claw but different in small ways, this is apation.
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Post by Michael on Sept 17, 2010 1:19:09 GMT
Iggy...great photos from the field...I'm jealous!
PitcherPlanter...it's a fun theory, but these were introduced.
Okapisrule...While they seem to be doing very well there, the natural range for S. purpurea is in North America.
From time to time unfortunately plants do get introduced into non-native environments by exhuberant enthusiasts closer to the homelands. Over time there have been great and often heated...discussions about introducing non-native species into non-native evironments.
Mike
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Post by okapisrule on Sept 17, 2010 1:49:36 GMT
Thanks Michael, that's what I thought. I'm not sure whether I'm for or against it.
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Post by PitcherPlanter on Sept 18, 2010 12:48:54 GMT
I don't care if I wrong.
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Post by Not a Number on Sept 18, 2010 20:32:39 GMT
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Devon
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Post by Devon on Dec 11, 2010 16:41:46 GMT
wow, those are insane purps.. it's sad to know that they were introduced though.
@not a number: Does that mean it wouldn't be illegal to take purps from that bog? Just curious...
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jeff
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Post by jeff on Dec 12, 2010 8:00:01 GMT
in france there are some bog with sarracenia , but these plant have been introduced illegally ,normally they should be completely uprooted, the authorities let a few feet but watch them closely, there are regularly grubbing to leave room for the endemic.
we have some endemic sarracenia in a little piece of France in north America, St. Pierre and Miquelon near The Quebec
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Post by Not a Number on Dec 12, 2010 9:12:15 GMT
@not a number: Does that mean it wouldn't be illegal to take purps from that bog? Just curious... I have absolutely no idea. It would depend on who owns or manages the land and national, state/territorial, and local laws.
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jeff
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Post by jeff on Dec 13, 2010 7:49:50 GMT
yes it is illegal .
in france all the carnivorous plant are protected , even if they are illegal .
this station is known and monitored by organizations Conservation
if you are there, when there was a campaign of uprooting, I think you can ask a few feet. ;D
in St Pierre et Miquelon it is perfectly illegal , it is a endemic plant .
jeff
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Post by Michael on Dec 14, 2010 15:54:18 GMT
Devon -- great question -- and thanks to Jeff for responding and highlighting the point that if you have decided you must collect seeds/plants from the wild - where ever you go in the field you should always be aware of the laws and regulations of country or location from where you are considering collecting CP material. Here is a link to the ICPS position on conservation and seed/plant collection: www.carnivorousplants.org/statements/conservation.htmlMike
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