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Post by bluesboy on Jun 8, 2008 14:58:21 GMT
Hi All, Sorry about not getting a chance to post yesterday; I'll do what I can to post every day, but yesterday was too busy here at Meadowview- always lots and lots to be done! Anyway, I've been wanting to post photos of these plants for a while. They are without doubt one of my favorite plants ever. They are the veinless form of S. rosea. I call them the candlewax pitcher plant, and I think the name might be sticking- I find that they have a glow like the wax of a candle, perhaps glowing from a lit wick. I can't tell you how amazed I was when I first saw them here at Meadowview last year. They are fluorescent- nothing beats seeing them in person, but here are some pictures to whet your appetite. The photos are of three different clones. I think maybe a couple other growers in the world may have these veinless rosea, but I'm not sure. NOTE- these are NOT anthocyanin free plants- if you look the new growth is red, and if you cut the pitchers, they will discolor to a red as well. However, the last picture IS of anthocyanin-free S. rosea, and not many have seen this form, which has been described S. rosea f. luteola. I like the antho-free plant, but it's not in the same realm as the veinless form in my opinion. Tell me what you think of what these guys look like. Also, this may be the only place on the internet where you can see photos of these beauties. Check it out! Here's a shot of the whole plant of a veinless rosea-note the rhizome is red- it still has pigment  here's a couple youngsters  The money shot!-check that pitcher out- I challenge you to fine anything more beautiful!  S. rosea 'anthocyanin free' -yep, no color here  Ok, enjoy the pics, best, Nick 'bluesboy' |
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Post by ICPS-bob on Jun 12, 2008 4:25:34 GMT
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Post by Aidan on Jun 12, 2008 10:10:47 GMT
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Post by meadowview on Jun 12, 2008 11:48:49 GMT
Hi Folks:
Candlewax stands alone as a Meadowview original. Carl Mazur got plants from us a number of years ago. I don't know if Carl named our plant or not but we have priority on the original collection.
Sincerely,
Phil Sheridan
Director
Meadowview Biological
Research Station
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Post by gardenofeden on Jun 12, 2008 16:53:58 GMT
Hi Folks: Candlewax stands alone as a Meadowview original. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan how does it differ from 'Melissa Mazur', if at all? |
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Post by Aidan on Jun 12, 2008 17:26:47 GMT
Hastily taken this afternoon and hence not very good photos of a plant not seen at its best. Even so, it bears comparison with the Meadowview plants. Sarracenia purpurea ssp. venosa var. burkii - Veinless Form   Note that this plant is not 'Melissa Mazur'. Just for fun and comparison - Sarracenia purpurea ssp. venosa var. burkii f. luteola Sarracenia purpurea ssp. venosa - Anthocyanin Free   |
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Post by ICPS-bob on Jun 12, 2008 17:45:18 GMT
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Post by gardenofeden on Jun 12, 2008 19:46:14 GMT
Interestingly, I have been unable to find photos of S. 'Melissa Mazur'. there is the standard with the original publication, not available online though.... |
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Post by ICPS-bob on Jun 12, 2008 20:24:43 GMT
Interestingly, I have been unable to find photos of S. 'Melissa Mazur'. there is the standard with the original publication, not available online though.... That is one problem with the cultivar system that I wish the Powers That Be would fix. Publishing descriptions in obscure paid or subscription-only outlets limits the availability of the information. I have repeatedly suggested that one of the rules of registering a cultivar should be that the description and standard photos be made widely available in a publicly available and free medium. |
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Post by kby on Jun 12, 2008 23:16:26 GMT
there is the standard with the original publication, not available online though.... That is one problem with the cultivar system that I wish the Powers That Be would fix. Publishing descriptions in obscure paid or subscription-only outlets limits the availability of the information. I have repeatedly suggested that one of the rules of registering a cultivar should be that the description and standard photos be made widely available in a publicly available and free medium. Isn't the usual answer to that critique (not that I'm disagreeing) that the journal is in a library?-kby |
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Post by ICPS-bob on Jun 12, 2008 23:48:37 GMT
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Post by Not a Number on Jun 13, 2008 14:54:47 GMT
Seems a bit like Douglas Adams' "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy":
"But Mr Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning office for the last nine month."
"Oh yes, well as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or anything."
"But the plans were on display ..."
"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
"That's the display department."
"With a flashlight."
"Ah, well the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the notice didn't you?"
"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'."
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Post by meadowview on Jun 13, 2008 20:50:07 GMT
Hi Folks: Candlewax stands alone as a Meadowview original. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan how does it differ from 'Melissa Mazur', if at all? Hi Folks: We collected S. rosea veinless a.k.a 'Candlewax' back in 1991 in western Florida in a roadside ditch. By "stand alone" I mean we independently discovered this variant. Obviously, it looks like some other growers have also found this interesting plant. We also have a different clone of veinless S. rosea from another site in Florida which is much greener in color than 'Candlewax'. 'Candlewax' tends to have a peach colored leaf. We are working on the inheritance of 'Candlewax' but it is not an anthocyanin-free green mutation. Also, I wasn't planning on naming the anthocyanin-free green form of S. rosea. Bluesboy was a little excited and jumped the gun by saying I was going to name it. I already knew it had been named but he did not. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station |
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Post by purpman on Jun 19, 2008 1:41:59 GMT
Phil,
I did not name the plant. Phil Wilson in the UK named the plant. He sent me a copy of the particular issue in which he published it in Volume 27, 2004.
Here is the history.
The original plant was collected out of roadside ditch near Allanton FL, It was a couple small crowns the showed no veining which I thought was pretty unique. (good thing, the population destroyed the next time I visited). Anyway, I self pollinated that plant and sent seed to Phil in the UK. He germinated a batch of them and selected one that he felt merritted naming... he named after my wife. I'll scan the publication and post it here if you'd like to see it It also has a photo of the plant!
Also your memory of you giving me a veinless plant many years ago IS correct. The plant was a gorgeous pale green and peachy color. The sad part is that I lost that plant a couple of years later. If my memory is correct that plant came from around DeFuniak Springs. It is clearly a different plant from a different site, whether they are different enough to warrant separate cultivar names, don't know... Who has naming rights, Phil W or Phil S. Don't know there either. Regardless who gets credit, they are both very nice plants.
I hope that clears that up. As f
Carl
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Post by purpman on Jun 19, 2008 1:49:25 GMT
Didn't finish my thought... "As f", don't even remember what I was going to say :-) I'm getting old ;-)
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