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Post by phissionkorps on Mar 27, 2007 5:21:59 GMT
Is there any way I can get involved in this, maybe by helping to maintain some sort of database, gathering info, etc? I know J. Cokendolpher is involved in the project, and he is in Lubbock, though he is a busy man and I've found it impossible to contact him (tried for a month or two to no avail)
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Post by BarryRice on Mar 27, 2007 15:43:33 GMT
This program has been troubled. I came up with the idea some time ago, but I abandoned it because I have too many pokers in the fire. Then a bunch of folks (the authors of the scoping paper) got enthused again, and we drafted up a pretty audacious plan. Then, alas, one by one we drifted to other projects. Currently only James is active with it and keeping track of things.
I'll buzz him and see what he's up to. It would be great to keep this moving, to see if we can do some ex situ conservation on this very endangered plant. I am just oversubscribed with other projects, and can't do this one myself.
B
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Post by phissionkorps on Mar 27, 2007 16:03:40 GMT
Please do talk to him, and let me know the result. I don't mind putting in some work to try to get the thing running again if need be
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Post by cokendolpher on Jun 4, 2007 16:53:20 GMT
Hi phissionkorps and others, As you can see by my very, very late response to your posting, I have been otherwise engaged. I work as an invertebrate zoologist and thus plants come second. Did you try to contact me back in Sept.-Nov. of last year? If so I probably missed it because I was out of the country and then fell way behind in my correspondence. Please write me directly and put clipeata in the subject line. I still keep the database of clipeata holders as well as a few small plants of clipeata. We need to start a website for the clipeata project. Are you any good at design? Drop me a message and i will find time to work with you. We also need to put together a report of what we have found so far about the known plant-lines of clipeata (it's not good!). Anybody with plants should try to grow/flower them. Certainly any flowering should be for species propagation, not hybrids. Cheers, James
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Post by Dave Evans on Jun 5, 2007 22:53:08 GMT
While there is a current attempt to keep this species alive, I want to know what happened to the plants of Nepenthes clipeata which were collect from the original location, Gunung Kelam. I mean, if the species has been lost in the wild due to over collecting, how is it even possible all the clones in cultivation are hybrids? I know the story about how the only flowering female was pollinated by a hybrid and other species, but where are the plants that were collected?
I have heard reports that the local people are the ones responsible for the over collecting due their liking the plant so much after seeing CP'ers collect it.... They would collect the plants, only to let them die because they have no method for cultivating it. Is there any truth to this story?
Thank-you for any information.
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Post by rsivertsen on Jun 6, 2007 15:21:51 GMT
Some people who have this species (that I know either directly, or indirectly) are being very quiet about the status of their plants, not really sure why, my guess is that these are very slow growing plants for intermediate to lowlanders, and the fact that they are extinct in the wild now put a considerable demand on them! Some specimens were collected without all the proper permissions, and that might have something to do with the secrecy.
John Turnbull told me that when he visited the site, he was unable to find any flowering plants, or any in seed, as almost every plant had been cut down, and only basal rosettes were found. Hopefully, some of them are growing somewhere.
I hope we will eventually see them turn up in TC soon (aside from Wistuba's 3 clones); they may be fairly expensive too when they finally do show up for sale. Has anyone grown Wistuba's 3 clones to flowering size yet? I wonder which clones are male/female?
The site was destroyed in fire which incinerated the plants several years back, and not by over-collecting; but local collecting, and attemps at transplanting them was also a problem.
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Post by ICPS-bob on Jun 6, 2007 16:35:54 GMT
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Post by Dave Evans on Jun 7, 2007 0:01:12 GMT
As per Seam Samia, here is the break down of Andreas Wistuba four clones:
1 -- is N. clipeata (N. clipeata * N. eymae) 2 -- is N. clipeata, but not sexed 3 -- is N. clipeata, male U -- is N. clipeata, but not sexed
Maybe this information could be posted on the other forum?
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Post by cclborneo on Jun 16, 2007 3:27:48 GMT
Good to see there is still some strong interest in the conservation of this plant!
We are in the midst of completing a new assessment and summary of the N. clipeata situation in West Kalimantan, based on a number of different visits to the type locality over the past decade (most recently last week), as well as interviews with local collectors. This report will be presented at the 2007 Sarawak Nepenthes Summit, and the full paper should be available in the proceedings.
Best regards, Ch'ien
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Post by phissionkorps on Jun 20, 2007 21:25:29 GMT
Hello all,
Sorry, I had been out of the country for a while, and just now have seen this post was created and others have posted in it. Dr. Cokendolpher, I will try to PM you here and send a duplicate to your Tech email in the next day or so. Hopefully you will receive it. rsivertson, In my experience, clipeata is an extremely slow grower for a lowlander/intermediate.
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Post by bux on Jun 22, 2007 12:43:41 GMT
Hi all,
i am also very interested in the clipeata survival project.
clip is an impressive species we need to protect. I grow the 3 clones from Wistuba. What's a slow grower! Nice to hear that clone 3 is male...however i'm afraid that there is a big chance that all clones are also male... Would it be possible to make a tissue test in a lab to indentify the sex? However it should not help to grow this species faster!
I think one of the solution would be to create a protected park in Kelam area.
I would be happy to have the chance one day to get some seeds to introduce in tc.
Best regards, Fabrice
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Post by Dave Evans on Jul 25, 2007 20:47:47 GMT
Hi well there is probably 50:50 chance on both of the other clones being male or female.
I have heard and read statements indicating the male clones far out number the females, but I have not seen this pattern--I have grown out a couple of generations of Nepenthes ventricosa, as well as other seed grown plants. I have seen that males tend to flower more often though, and produce way more flowers per inflorescence. But I have not seen more male plants then female plants.
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Post by phissionkorps on Jul 26, 2007 8:14:19 GMT
I have also heard speculation that all the clones are male. I have gotten with James and begun doing some work for the NcSP. At the moment I am in the data-gathering stage. Unfortunately, no one seems to want to talk about clipeata, which is disappointing. I am making some headway though, and as soon as I finish taking the MCAT/applying to medschool (in about 2 months), I should be able to dedicate a significant amount of time to this.
I can only hope that at least one of the other clones is female. I own the biggest clone U that I know of, and mine is only about 7" across.
Bux, unfortunately at the present time there is no way to do a tissue test to determine sex.
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Post by BarryRice on Jul 26, 2007 17:44:21 GMT
I'm glad to hear that you're helping with this. I've been working so much with some other field projects that my conservation work with the ICPS has been suffering a bit.
Skilled help is great.
Barry
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Post by phissionkorps on Jul 26, 2007 22:56:45 GMT
Barry,
I'm hoping on having the website up by the end of this year at the latest. Of course by that time it won't be complete, but I will at least be able to cover some info about the plant, cultivation techniques, some pictures, etc. If you are interested at any time about the current pace of things, or would like me to include/do anything in particular, drop me a line.
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