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Post by rajahking on Oct 20, 2007 13:30:23 GMT
Hi, I've been wanting to grow an aristolochioides lately but I'm having trouble finding a suitble seller and a decent place to grow it, anyone got much experience with these?
Best Regards
Rodger
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Post by Hikenyura on Oct 20, 2007 15:12:09 GMT
Lol, on time someone was auctioning it off and i though it was a lowland species so i didnt get it (the starting bid was 5 bucks!) Now i regret that when i found out it was an easy highlander.
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Post by glider14 on Oct 20, 2007 16:26:23 GMT
its not easy per say.... but its no where near villosa or rajah. ive had one for a few weeks (so...limited experience) and already it has a new pitcher opened and a few more in the process. its about average speed. it dosent like low humidity or high temps but if you can give it a good night time drop (mine goes from 80-65 at night) its not that hard. i got mine at the NECPS show on sepember 30th fo 20$!! but that was from the silent auction table... otherwise they go for 45$.
Alex
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Post by doncaster on Nov 25, 2007 6:52:50 GMT
its not easy per say.... but its no where near villosa or rajah. ive had one for a few weeks (so...limited experience) and already it has a new pitcher opened and a few more in the process. its about average speed. it dosent like low humidity or high temps but if you can give it a good night time drop (mine goes from 80-65 at night) its not that hard. i got mine at the NECPS show on sepember 30th fo 20$!! but that was from the silent auction table... otherwise they go for 45$. Alex IGNORANCE!!!!. Aristolochioides is harder than a N.rajah. Think before you type buddy. Don. |
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Post by Dave Evans on Nov 25, 2007 8:42:09 GMT
On a scale of tricky to near impossible:
N. villosa, N. aristolochioides, N lowii, N. rajah and N. sp. 2 from Doormans Top. None are easy, but the last two are very difficult to maintain long term.
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Post by glider14 on Nov 25, 2007 17:39:52 GMT
its not easy per say.... but its no where near villosa or rajah. ive had one for a few weeks (so...limited experience) and already it has a new pitcher opened and a few more in the process. its about average speed. it dosent like low humidity or high temps but if you can give it a good night time drop (mine goes from 80-65 at night) its not that hard. i got mine at the NECPS show on sepember 30th fo 20$!! but that was from the silent auction table... otherwise they go for 45$. Alex IGNORANCE!!!!. Aristolochioides is harder than a N.rajah. Think before you type buddy. Don. sooo....that why rajah dies under my care...all 3 times? and aristo is alive and pitchers on the first try? i mst be magic or something then. and how would you know? Mr. My VFT Is Going To Die Because It Has A Black Leaf. think about your experiences and have proof to back it up next time. Alex |
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Post by Hikenyura on Nov 25, 2007 18:20:22 GMT
Remeber Rule 2
" Personal attacks, rudeness, 'Flame Wars', insults to others, or arguments will not be tolerated. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully. Any member who threatens anyone on the Forum, via Private Message, email, or other means will be banned immediately and without notice. "
Anyways I beleive the Aristolochioides is much easier than a rajah. I atleast heard that.
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Post by marcel on Nov 25, 2007 18:44:15 GMT
Gentleman, That was a nice quote of The Rules, so please keep it in mind. There is enough forest going up in flames nowadays. Which plants are easy depends largely on the conditions offered, but luck is also a factor. I can give many examples of supposedly easy plants that wouldn't grow for very experienced growers even though conditions looked perfect and I know some newbies who are happily growing plants which I used to rate "Experts only". Lets not forget that the objects of our affection are living things and will respond to all kinds of factors (and so do the people on this forum  |
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Post by agustinfranco on Nov 26, 2007 11:41:31 GMT
Hi Dave:
I agree with you in almost all the species you mentioned, except for lowii. I had one since 2003 and it's still alive. Of course, without humidity, the plant never produced a pitcher, but it's not gone to nep heaven like a villosa or rajah grown under similar conditions.
So when we refer to being not easy, what do exactly we mean?:
Plant without pitchers but still alive or
a soon to be dead plant?
It'd be nice if we are a bit more specific on what we are referring to.
Gus
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Post by Dave Evans on Nov 26, 2007 19:23:52 GMT
I am refering to difficulty, and they are difficult because of different reasons. It is easier to provide good conditions for N. villosa than it is N. rajah, even though N. villosa is from a higher altitude... Mostly, I think it is related to soil chemistry and also who you buy the plants from. I have consistently received healthier and more robust plants from Borneo Exotics than anyone else... I don't know why, but I'm talking about the same clones! Some suppliers seem to have some sort of problem. Rare plants from Andreas Wistuba give me a lot of trouble (N. chaniana, N. villosa, N. rajah, N. sp.2 Doorman's Top, N. ephippiata, ect), get the same clones from other suppliers, if available, and they do great. And yes, if the troublesome plants from A.W. can hang in there for a couple of years, they do seem to grow out of whatever was troubling them and they do become robust. Of these species, only N. rajah continues to be difficult.
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Post by doncaster on Nov 26, 2007 19:35:30 GMT
I think it is wrong for a novice grower
to go out and buy one or two plants, suddenly they are an all high and mighty expert and make stupid
generalisations based on their twenty
second experiances.!!!!!
Don.
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Post by glider14 on Nov 27, 2007 3:42:49 GMT
if you would be so kind as to quote where i say im an expert now that i have my new neps?
i dont think im an expert. i just like experimenting. please also show me where it says in the rules that it is wrong to experiment.
i mean this in the nicest way possible....LAY OFF!
Alex
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Post by Hikenyura on Nov 27, 2007 4:17:34 GMT
This time I partially agree with glider (not the "LAY OFF" part though). He never said he was an expert. He was just giving his "growers" own opinion about growing Nepenthes.
Back to the thing marcel said. I'm a newbie at Nepenthes and I never got my N. Ventricosa or Alata to pitcher. I got my N. Saguinea, truncata, singalana, and mikei to pitcher.
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Post by wadave on Nov 27, 2007 8:20:01 GMT
Hikenyura,
did you ever figure out why your ventricosa and alata didn't pitcher?
I was a little worried to hear this as these guys are said to be good for beginners and I have an alata on the way.
I grow my ventricosa without any special care year round in the greenhouse and it pitchers perfectly.
So my question would be to the guys with good nepenthes experience;
If my ventricosa does well can I assume my new alata will grow just as nicely, when it arrives, if they are both supposedly entry level plants?
Dave.
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Post by Dave Evans on Nov 27, 2007 8:35:21 GMT
Don, would you explain how you grow N. rajah? I'm guessing your culture involves living or long fiber Sphagnum... I strongly suspect that N. rajah likes a higher pH (and other soil differences) than most other Nepenthes.
Western Dave: Yeah, if your N. ventricosa is doing well, you have good conditions for N. alata also.
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