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Post by paulkoop on Aug 29, 2015 8:03:31 GMT
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Post by hcarlton on Aug 30, 2015 5:10:36 GMT
Until they get older I'm going to say you certainly can't put a label on them. The first has spectabilis in it, the second mirabilis globosa, but there could be other plants mixed in. Mature pitchers are needed to be sure if they are pure or mixed.
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Post by paulkoop on Aug 30, 2015 9:20:42 GMT
Yah R u sure the first isnt macrafila?
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Post by hcarlton on Aug 31, 2015 0:57:33 GMT
That is not a word, let alone a species that exists. If you mean macrovulgaris, not likely. If you mean macrophylla, definitely not.
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Post by paulkoop on Aug 31, 2015 3:28:45 GMT
Nepenthes_macfarlanei
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Post by hcarlton on Sept 1, 2015 2:10:01 GMT
That may be a possibility...
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Post by coline on Sept 6, 2015 13:36:19 GMT
The first is some kind of macfarlanei, it makes a ton of hybrids so you need for it to grow more as to tell for sure, even some from wistuba and other big sellers come as hybrids
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Post by Dave Evans on Sept 11, 2015 22:38:30 GMT
Because there are so many hybrids in the small space the natural species have left. I'm not sure what a "true" macfarlanei even looks like. As very often I see characteristics of either sanguinea or ramispina present in individual plants. It might not exist in a stable population(s) at this point, but I hope so.
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Post by coline on Sept 12, 2015 4:26:43 GMT
Exactly, you got a very true point, these plants grow so mixed over and their habitat is so disturbed nowadays that all of them may be at most like 90% pure, you see speckled sanguineas, black sanguineas, spotted ramispinas, all types of macfarlaneis and even more a huge variation on sizes, on any site, it is almost for sure you find at least 2 of the species, some sites even have albomarginata, and they flower all at the same time, macfarlanei makes tons of pollen, sanguinea seems to make very few but on huge spikes, the real natural pollinators may be really endangered or extinct due to all the development made, or they just flew away, so what remains is a mess with all three of them. This year I also got one plant of ramispina to test my conditions and it happens to be a "speckled" one, I just wonder now about the ones I grew from seeds and are now almost ready to leave the lab
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Post by Dave Evans on Sept 18, 2015 0:56:24 GMT
If everything were simply, very easy to understand and the world was just black and white, it would be pretty boring. Luckily we don't live in that dull cartoon world, everything is so much more complex than X vs. Y. If the pressure humans are placing on these species isn't quite enough to kill them off, we might be watching the "forced evolution" of a new species from what is currently a hybrid swarm. Or maybe the recognized species will somehow maintain themselves despite the large amount of hybridization--which would be rather amazing to me.
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