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Post by sykosarah on Jan 30, 2014 5:28:17 GMT
So, it is almost the luck of the draw?
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Post by Dave Evans on Jan 30, 2014 22:14:46 GMT
Sort of, it is more the luck of the DNA! LOL.
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Post by hcarlton on Jan 31, 2014 15:08:18 GMT
So far looks like I got good results though. Soon to be flowering: D. tokaiensis x intermedia Easton, MA, D. tokaiensis x sp. Lantau Island, D. "capillaris LA" x dielsiana, and D. spatulata "white flower" x "capillaris LA." I have also confirmed that the tokaiensis x capensis plants are in fact hybrids, and some new seed crosses: D. brevifolia x sp. Lantau Island, D. spatulata "Pink Flower, Royal Natl. Pk. Sydney" x madagascariensis, D. madagascariensis x dielsiana, and D. spatulata 'Tamlin' x "Pink flower" and the reverse.
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Post by Dave Evans on Jan 31, 2014 20:36:22 GMT
H, are you sure yours is really D. dielsiana, not the typical mislabeled D. natalensis?
I've grown D. capensis * D. spatulata before, and suspect pretty much anything that crosses with D. spatulata is likely to be able to also hybridize with D. capensis.
What is interesting is D. capensis has 40 chromosomes and most of these others have 20... But D. tokiensis also has 40.
By extending the logic to closely related species... D. intermedia * D. madagascariensis might be not just be possible but likely to work...
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Post by Not a Number on Feb 1, 2014 0:45:00 GMT
What is interesting is D. capensis has 40 chromosomes and most of these others have 20... But D. tokiensis also has 40. By extending the logic to closely related species... D. intermedia * D. madagascariensis might be not just be possible but likely to work... D. tokaiensis is a hexaploid (2n=60). There is a population of non-fertile triploid (2n=30) plants. Refer to: New records of Drosera tokaiensis subsp. hyugaensis (Droseraceae) from Kochi Prefecture, Japan by Hiroshi Hayakawa, Hidenori Hamachi, Kohei Ogawa, Yukio Minaniya, Jun Yokoyama, Ryo Arakawa, and Tatsuya Fukuda Botany, 2012, 90(8): 763-769, 10.1139/b2012-036 nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/b2012-036and Nakamura, T., and Ueda, K. 1991. Phytogeography of Tokai Hilly land Element II. Taxonomic study of Drosera tokaiensis (Komiya & C. Shibata) T. Nakamura & Ueda (Droseraceae). Acta Phytotax. Geobot. 42(2): 125–137. eurekamag.com/research/032/824/phytogeography-tokai-hilly-land-element-ii-taxonomic-study-drosera-tokaiensis-komiya-shibata-nakamura-ueda-droseraceae.php
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Post by hcarlton on Feb 1, 2014 6:43:22 GMT
Can't say for sure if the dielsiana is that for certain, though pictures of natalensis I've seen seem to have slightly longer leaves on average.... I know there are flower structure differences, can anyone remind me what they are? these guys flower daily, so I could find out quick and for certain then. As for crosses like intermedia x madag, haven't had the chance yet, but I may get a shot soon at crosses with filiformis tracyi.
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Post by Devon on Feb 3, 2014 2:21:16 GMT
So far looks like I got good results though. Soon to be flowering: D. tokaiensis x intermedia Easton, MA, D. tokaiensis x sp. Lantau Island, D. "capillaris LA" x dielsiana, and D. spatulata "white flower" x "capillaris LA." I have also confirmed that the tokaiensis x capensis plants are in fact hybrids, and some new seed crosses: D. brevifolia x sp. Lantau Island, D. spatulata "Pink Flower, Royal Natl. Pk. Sydney" x madagascariensis, D. madagascariensis x dielsiana, and D. spatulata 'Tamlin' x "Pink flower" and the reverse. Sounds like you have a lot of interesting hybrids on the way! I agree that you probably don't have D. dielsiana, but likely D. natalensis. Not many people have Drosera dielsiana. One of the hybrids you listed I have made, perhaps you'd like to see. Drosera x [ tokaiensis x "Lantau Island"]. It looks a lot like D. tokaiensis but with a much more vibrant red colour. farm9.staticflickr.com/8350/8245104761_39781d7998_b.jpgfarm9.staticflickr.com/8485/8245102439_9d7f8a3c57_b.jpgIt does not produce any seeds.
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Post by hcarlton on Feb 3, 2014 4:58:21 GMT
Mine's certainly not that vibrant, unfortunately, staying more of a pure green, though the leaf shape is somewhat similar. A lot of these guys probably need bigger, taller pots, but for now I'm out of room and that will have to wait. Until then, I'll just wait and see what they do.
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Post by Devon on Feb 3, 2014 5:20:45 GMT
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Post by hcarlton on Feb 4, 2014 5:06:13 GMT
Looks a lot like your average capillaris in that shot, but definitely a great shape to it.
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Post by hcarlton on Feb 10, 2014 15:07:13 GMT
First plant of D. tokaiensis x sp. Lantau Island flowered, however, I have my suspicions about this one: This guy looks identical to the parent, D. tokaiensis, so I think there was some residual pollen left over when I crossed the flowers. The other plant that sprouted I think confirms this, as it does look like a cross: Leaves definitely has Lantau characters in this one, so I got one successful cross at least. I've planted some of the spare seeds from this cross to see if I can score a couple more.
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Post by hcarlton on Feb 12, 2014 4:47:36 GMT
Newest hybrid: D. spatulata "white flower" x "capillaris Long Arm" And here is the hybrid next to a plant of the mother species. You can see color and size changes.
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Post by hcarlton on Feb 19, 2014 1:48:04 GMT
Decided to take pics not only of the new ones that have flowered, but also all the ones that are definitely crosses, so here goes: D. "capillaris Long Arm" x spatulata "white flower" (as you can see, I have plenty, too) Also have plenty extra of these: D. spatulata 'Tamlin' x sp. Lantau Island D. spatulata "white flower" x 'Tamlin' Couple shots of different D. "capillaris Long Arm" x sp. Lantau Island This one I'm suspicious as to whether or not it worked, but so far, flowers have not begun swelling pods noticeably: D. "capillaris Long Arm" x natalensis D. "capillaris Long Arm" x intermedia Easton, MA: at least a few of these are notably elongate, so I think some are hybrids D. spatulata 'Tamlin' x "capillaris Long Arm" And shots of 3 different looking D. tokaiensis x intermedia Easton Cheers!
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Post by sykosarah on Feb 19, 2014 7:04:41 GMT
Wish I had a camera good enough to take a picture of my drosera. Alas, those little sprouts are too small.
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Post by Devon on Feb 24, 2014 20:06:38 GMT
Very nice, I like the tok x intermedia a lot.
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