yimmz
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Post by yimmz on Sept 4, 2013 0:08:14 GMT
Hey all here are a few photos of my small garden. It was larger but it was attacked by some kind of vermit and killed over half my crop before I could build a cage around them. It was a sad day..... Anayways I'm waiting for my seedlings to get large enough to endure outdoor weather and then the space will be filled in. This is not my entire collection I have a few Nepenthes not posted here. [a href="http:// "]Click me to see them[/a] [a href="http:// "]link[/a] This is my first time posting photos if they don't look correct please message me with what I did wrong so next time I get it right. Thank you and I hope you enjoyed.
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coline
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Post by coline on Sept 12, 2013 18:38:33 GMT
Nice plants!, I do the same for protection against birds
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yimmz
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Post by yimmz on Sept 29, 2013 18:38:15 GMT
Here are some better photos. I took down the covering this time. S. Moorei S. Moorei S. Flava Ornata Hurricane Creek White Hurricane Creek White Ornata again And again lol S. Moorei One last S. Moorei I hope you enjoyed these photos as much as I have enjoyed growing these plants
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Post by ICPS-bob on Oct 12, 2013 16:13:40 GMT
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Post by Not a Number on Oct 14, 2013 5:41:47 GMT
I suppose you can say some of the same about 'Hurricane Creek White'. To qualify as the cultivar the plants should have large pitchers especially in the fall. As I recall Hummer has said about only about 80-85% of seedlings would qualify as the cultivar. I have a plant that produces narrow pitchers as pictured above. Once in a while it pushes out some large pitchers but I still hesitate to call it 'Hurricane Creek White'. I've even traced the origin of the plant directly back to John Hummer. A few of the seedling I have (seed from the ICPS seedbank and directly from John Hummer) may qualify now that they are mature enough to show more stable characteristics. The cultivar description and published standard photo: www.carnivorousplants.org/cpn/Species/v33n1p19_22.html#White
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Post by meizwang on Oct 15, 2013 23:48:17 GMT
That clone definitely isn't a leah wilkerson, but an amazing moorei for sure! However, The leuco labeled HCW seems credible to me. Here's some photos of a bunch of different, original HCW clones: There are a few spectacular individuals in the bunch-here's clone F:
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Post by John Brittnacher on Oct 16, 2013 2:44:46 GMT
Sarracenia leucophylla 'Hurricane Creek White' like all Sarracenia leucophylla clones is very dependent on environmental conditions. The pitchers shown are typical of spring pitchers in colder climates or at least what mine look like in Oregon. And the fall pitchers here are nowhere near what they would be like if grown in a longer growing season location. I have clones I grew in California that were spectacular. Here they are nothing like they were farther south. Sometimes I wonder why I bother but right now as the fall pitchers are starting to open they are earning another year of life here.
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Post by meizwang on Oct 16, 2013 5:27:37 GMT
Hmm, I wonder if there's a way to "trick" them into producing fall pitchers for you earlier? Might be a temperature and light related thing: a few of my Hurricane creek white plants that were shaded by other plants only produced phyllodia this year.
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Post by Not a Number on Oct 16, 2013 18:15:12 GMT
This one particular clone rarely puts out large pitchers, even in the fall. The grower I got it from (Tennessee) said the same. Here are some fall pitchers of two different clones, the plant in question is the pitcher on left. The pitcher on the right is seed grown from the ICPS seed bank. It was about 4-5 years old at the time the photo was taken. The smaller pitchered plant was mature and flowering when I acquired it 5 years prior to when the photo was taken. This is the largest pitcher that plant have ever produced, last year (the first ever really). Granted the summers here the past 5 years or so have been very mild and none of my S. leucophylla have been producing spectacular pitchers as they have previously. Regardless, I'm reluctant to call the one clone 'Hurricane Creek White'. Sorry to have hijack this thread
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Post by John Brittnacher on Oct 17, 2013 1:30:06 GMT
I have grown Sarracenia leucophylla 'Hurricane Creek White' since the original seeds from John Hummer both in California and Oregon. Plants that in all ways conform to the cultivar produce pitchers like the ones shown by yimmz. The determining factors in exactly how the pitchers look is environmental. Grown in California the plants have larger pitchers both in spring and especially in fall than they do in Oregon. I expect plants grown in New Jersey would be similar to Oregon. This is what my Sarracenia leucophylla 'Hurricane Creek White' look like today. A few weeks ago before the fall pitchers opened, all the pitchers looked like the ones above. Notice the older pitchers with the indigestion. Those are the spring pitchers. This is as good as HCW gets here. Here is another example with known clones. In the photo below there are three clones. Left front is "AJ01", right front is one I received labeled Peter's "Red" which I presume is a select California Carnivores clone, and in the background is the best clone from UC Davis which produces spectacular pitchers there. Having trouble believing the ID's? The plants get a late start in the spring. The pitchers would not be even that good if I did not give them a crew cut in March and remove all the flowers as soon as they are tall enough to snap off. It isn't lack of heat. It was very hot here this summer. I think it is the cold nights in the spring and fall. We regularly get into the upper 30's in October when the fall pitchers come out.
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Post by Not a Number on Oct 17, 2013 17:30:55 GMT
Here are some shots I took today. This shot represents four plants. The two larger pitchers on the right are one plant. The large pitcher against a flower a second, the one in-between in the background a third and finally the narrow pitchers on the left a fourth - this is the plant in question. Here are the two largest pitchers representing two different seed grown plants. My hand provides some sense of scale. These two plants are probably worth of the 'Hurricane Creek White' label. They put out large pitchers last year too. Here is one of the largest fall pitchers from the problem plant More fall pitchers from the same For comparison here are some "standard" S. leucophylla
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yimmz
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Post by yimmz on Dec 31, 2013 13:28:09 GMT
The climate in New Jersey can get very hot in the summer but this past year we didn't have a spring. The average temperature were in the upper 40's to 50's until June almost and then they shot up to the 80's overnight and stayed there until August where we had a few days in 90's. I think one of the biggest differences is the night time temperatures. Even in June it can get into the 60's at night and again as early as September outdoors here. I can't remember if it was spring of 2013 or 2012 but we had a foot of snow in April!!
As for the plant I labeled as Leah Wilkerson, I can't be 100% sure on it but through process of elimination that should be it. I moved a few times bewteen 2010 and spring of 2013 and labels were misplaced. What i did was I knew one of my plants were sold to me as a Leah Wilkerson cultivar and so i picked the one that was most different from the other Leucophylla's I have and assumed that was it. I guess I should have double checked it before posting but either way i still love the pitchers on the plant and now I can correcttly name as Moorei thank you!!
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