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May 10, 2012 19:55:58 GMT
Post by traps on May 10, 2012 19:55:58 GMT
hello i am new to this foroum and a new collector of carnivorous plants. i am collecting and i also have an intrest in succulents and cacti but my new interest is carnivorousplantsdist. and i am collecting them but so far i have a nepthese and a venus fly trap. i am trying to fallow all that you gus told me to do growing wise. i have them under a single floresent light but it isnt eneugh because whenever i feddd my venus trap that leaf always blackens and they both are lokking bad and leaves are dieing. so i am planning on getting a 4 bulb 20,000lumens flouresent for them instead but i just got my nethese and when i took theitr top off the ends started to crisp and so then i put a soda bottle over them for a terarium and i have always kept a saucer of disteled wter under them and im planning to repot................what can i do to get them healthir and to keep them growing as they should remember im getting that light and im giving them humidity will this all help? !!! im a huge lover in carnivorous plants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and i want to make it a hobby and be a collector but plaese help me learn to accomplish this!!! thanks hope to hear back!! ;D aka traps i also live in dallas pensylvania and my rooms humidity is 60pecent. ;D
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May 11, 2012 0:16:09 GMT
Post by ICPS-bob on May 11, 2012 0:16:09 GMT
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May 13, 2012 22:14:24 GMT
Post by traps on May 13, 2012 22:14:24 GMT
lk i did read his faq but im still wondering why they arent growing and are helthy i think its because of light i need to buy that grow light i talked about but if you can give me an idea other than that why the pitchers or venus are browning at the tops
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May 14, 2012 1:36:54 GMT
Post by traps on May 14, 2012 1:36:54 GMT
also i believe my plants are up for repotting so what else should be in my soil besides peat moss
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May 14, 2012 6:10:41 GMT
Post by coldcoffee on May 14, 2012 6:10:41 GMT
Hi Traps, Welcome to the forum, its great to have you here. "also i believe my plants are up for repotting so what else should be in my soil besides peat moss " Why do you think it is time to transplant your VFT? How long have you had it? You mentioned that you read Rice's FAQ page, so you may have already seen this but in case not, this is worth taking a look at: www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq2160.html"im still wondering why they arent growing and are helthy i think its because of light i need to buy that grow light i talked about but if you can give me an idea other than that why the pitchers or venus are browning at the tops" Now, since you said you are new and really want to understand, go here: www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq3000.htmlRead all of that stuff, follow the links, read more. Here is the parent directory to that site which will lead you to more specific information. www.sarracenia.com/faq.htmlI know you said you already read the whole website, but looking at this again several times will really give you a dang good education on this stuff. I cannot speak for everyone here, but when I have a question about something- Rice's website is usually the first place I go and I have many many pages of the FAQ multiple times. "im still wondering why they arent growing and are helthy i think its because of light i need to buy that grow light i talked about but if you can give me an idea other than that why the pitchers or venus are browning at the tops" For questions like this, pictures can really help. Its kind of hard to know exactly what is going on without visually seeing it. That said... I think your problem might be here: 1) "i just got my nethese and when i took theitr top off the ends started to crisp" 2) "i have them under a single floresent light but it isnt eneugh because whenever i feddd my venus trap that leaf always blackens and they both are lokking bad and leaves are dieing" For number 1, It sounds like it was not hardened off properly- your nepenthes is likely experiencing a sort of "drop in humidity" shock (I suspect that this is whats going on with your VFT as well, but part of that could be overfeeding or lack of light). Put the top back on (or put it in a gallon sized zip lock bag with a bowl or something to keep the bag from collapsing on the plant) and open it slowly to allow a more gradual drop in humidity. You do not need to grow these plants in jungle conditions (60% humidity is usually more than sufficient- mine grow in closer to 20% and they are all happy- a few are in a hyper humid terrarium but not likely what you have), the key is not high humidity here- the key is slow and gradual changes. For number 2: www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq3020.html should answer your questions better than I can. In short, I do not think your plants are getting enough light. My experience thus far is that CPs can handle a lot of deviations from their preferred environment- given enough light (and thus energy) to overcome (but not always, try to give them what they like). On the other side of the coin, lack of light will kill them pretty quick and make them more suseptable to things like fungal attacks as their immune systems will weaken. (Think of starving someone for a week and then throwing them into a room with a bunch of sick people). 1 fluorescent tube is likely not enough. If you can grow the VFT outside, that would be preferred (acclimate it to natural sunlight very slowly though).
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May 14, 2012 11:17:55 GMT
Post by traps on May 14, 2012 11:17:55 GMT
ok thank you so muck for the information i know that the light i have isnt enough so im buying a 4 bulb 20,000 lummen grow light about 2oowatts and i think that will do the trick for both my carnivores and succulents. i will try to gradually take away humidity but can i also try repotting they came in a 11/2 inch or 2inch pot and the pitchers are only 6inches tall still young butt thankyou for the info !!!
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May 14, 2012 11:24:55 GMT
Post by traps on May 14, 2012 11:24:55 GMT
also could they both be crisping because i have them in to wet of conditions. i have them in plastic plates of 1cm of disteled water
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May 14, 2012 11:33:58 GMT
Post by traps on May 14, 2012 11:33:58 GMT
one more thing for now when i get some butterwarts and sundews do they need humidity unlike the pitchers
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Post by paulbarden on May 14, 2012 13:36:40 GMT
one more thing for now when i get some butterwarts and sundews do they need humidity unlike the pitchers If you start out with some of the very easy species like Drosera capensis, you can grow those without special attention to humidity. They have spread by seed into many of my outdoor Sarracenia pots, which are in full sun and the air here in summer is generally VERY dry: around 30% humidity, and still these capensis grow like weeds. Do you have no way to grow your plants with natural (outdoor) light? The Venus Flytrap will do much better if grown in full sun. Where are you located? I might be able to send you some D. capensis, if you are in the US.
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May 14, 2012 21:29:56 GMT
Post by traps on May 14, 2012 21:29:56 GMT
i am in the us but i have educted my self and i am still getting educated from barrys faq but i am in pensylvania and also i am purchasing a high intensitl t5 4bulb 20,000 lumens grow light which i think will do the trick.
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May 17, 2012 8:22:45 GMT
Post by coldcoffee on May 17, 2012 8:22:45 GMT
Hi traps, Sorry for not responding to your PM sooner, I just got it today.
ok thank you so muck for the information i know that the light i have isnt enough so im buying a 4 bulb 20,000 lummen grow light about 2oowatts and i think that will do the trick for both my carnivores and succulents. i will try to gradually take away humidity but can i also try repotting they came in a 11/2 inch or 2inch pot and the pitchers are only 6inches tall still young butt thankyou for the info !!!
That light fixture sounds good to me. Try to get the light as close as possible without burning your plants. As far as transplanting- thats a personal decision but if I was in your shoes, I would wait. That plant is new and still getting used to its new home. The pot it is in is likely not sufficient to act as its long term home, but it should be fine for a while (unless its a monster right now). Keep in mind that the root system of nepenthes are not that huge.
also could they both be crisping because i have them in to wet of conditions. i have them in plastic plates of 1cm of disteled water
I doubt it. I suspect it is still acclimating. It probably experienced some shock from the humidity drop. If this is correct it will likely drop many pitchers and then will grow new ones after a little while (could be months though).
That said, I have read many times that nepenthes do not like being in standing water. I have grown them in wetter conditions many times without issues but that suggestion is something I have been experimenting with recently. Just don't let the soil stay sopping wet all the time. I would let the water evaporate out of the tray between waterings- just in case (IE, dont top it off everyday). Since this plant is not hardened off though- err on the side of wet for now, and ween it off of constant wet tray (IMO), kind of like how you are weening it off of high humidity.
one more thing for now when i get some butterwarts and sundews do they need humidity unlike the pitchers
Often it depends on the species. I do not grow my pings in high humidity- all of them are doing very well right now, many have recently or are currently flowering. That said, a lot of it depends on the individual species. When you know what you have (or have a decent idea), research the specific needs of the specific plant. How you grow a Mexican ping, for instance, is different from how you grow many others.
i am in the us but i have educted my self and i am still getting educated from barrys faq but i am in pensylvania and also i am purchasing a high intensitl t5 4bulb 20,000 lumens grow light which i think will do the trick.
Paul's suggestion is very good. I agree with him (he is a very knowledgeable person, and tends to give really good advice BTW. He's helped me out before). D capensis is definitely a good way to go as a starter. His comments about humidity and sunlight are dead on consistent with my experience (in fact, humidty where I live is even lower than that and my Sarracenias and VFTs look great!).
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May 22, 2012 19:20:52 GMT
Post by traps on May 22, 2012 19:20:52 GMT
hey thanks a lot thats ok actualy the website im getting the grow light off of is hgt supply.com it is a 4 bulb floresent and has 20,000 lummens . but hanks for your help and sorry for getting back to u so late. im really lurning some good stuff and in fact i want to join the international car. plant society and im so in love with carnivorous plants that i want to keep collecting and come visite california . its my new hobbie besides suculents but i have a mowre interest in carnivorous plants now!! maybe besides being an organist and a landscaper maybe ill make carnivorous plants a carrer of mine some how!!!!
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May 28, 2012 5:59:27 GMT
Post by coldcoffee on May 28, 2012 5:59:27 GMT
No problem, Glad we could help!
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May 30, 2012 0:31:57 GMT
Post by traps on May 30, 2012 0:31:57 GMT
im curious the forum is great and all but would i be able to give u a call sometime and ask u questions and or chat possibly i dont even know why im asking this question its stupid but i just wanted to know if its allowed im just fasinated and it would probably be esier to explain the kinds of things im doing carnivorous plant wise and collecting wise and my situation(nothing bad though) i live in Dallas pensylvania and also u can send me some of those pings or drosera u were talking about erlier if u want thanks ,,Mark aka traps
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Oct 22, 2013 1:19:56 GMT
Post by taz6122 on Oct 22, 2013 1:19:56 GMT
also could they both be crisping because i have them in to wet of conditions. i have them in plastic plates of 1cm of disteled water I'm really surprised no one caught this! Nepenthes don't like wet feet!
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