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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2007 6:07:25 GMT
okay so i ordered a few aldrovanda and i went on vacation awhen i came back i found the box on the door step i looked at the delivery thing and it got here a day ago so im very unprepared so i bought a large 3 gallon tank for these plants which are only maybe at the most an inch long each and there are 3 of them i put some of those peat pellets in the bottom of the tank but they just made a huge mess so i took a coffee filter and drained the peat from the water and put the purified water with this peat water into the bowl again... and im going tomorrow to get some water bugs from a lake a few miles from my house to provide food for the plants.... i will also try to grow a 1 square inch thing of u gibba in the tank that i recieved from a friend from new york also.... i was told by my friend in new york that he grows Elodea/ Anachris in the tanks with his giba and told me they help to absorb nitrogen i that true? should i keep the mess of peat at the bottom or can i just grow them in the strained water? will mosquito fish if put in the tank hurt the plants or will they be benificial by providing co2?.......im sorry i have so many questions but i dont know much about them i have read the other things about them on this forum so i have a good idea of how to take care of them but i still have some questions
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Post by matti on Jul 29, 2007 7:02:47 GMT
This should of been set up in advance, do not use Utricularia gibba to absorbe nutrience (being carnivorous it obviously will not) use some other kind of water plant listed in previous topics such as salvinia molesta.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2007 7:42:00 GMT
thank you....crap i knew i should have set it up previously
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Post by Clint on Jul 29, 2007 15:58:47 GMT
This should of been set up in advance, do not use Utricularia gibba to absorbe nutrience (being carnivorous it obviously will not) use some other kind of water plant listed in previous topics such as salvinia molesta. I'm going to have to disagree with you, Matti. Carnivorous plants most certainly do take in nutrients! The best aquatics I've ever seen were growing in aquaria with macro and micro supplementation. I will agree that U. gibba is not the best choice for this job compared to other plants like S. molesta, however!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2007 19:08:56 GMT
okay well this morning i went and checked on gibba and aldrovanda and they at least werent dead so if i just keeep them alive for a few days then i think they will begin to grow again...i hope....o btw okay so i was trying to find a way to keep the peat in the bowl without the bad looks or the mess and i figured out that by keeping the peat wrapped in the tea bag like stuff on the pellets it stays all in one place but im sure it still has the same affects on the water as though it was loose
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Post by rsivertsen on Jul 31, 2007 1:24:24 GMT
ahh, I recall going through this myself years ago, thinking that I've got to keep the water chemistry just right!
WRONG!! It's NOT the chemistry of the water!! It's the biology of the water! Read my previous posts. These are rootless aquatic plants, and have a ravenous need to feed, especially the green European and Japanese strains. They are constituents of a complex symbiotic community, involving large monocot plants, a robust population of zooplankton fauna, and will not thrive isolated from its constituent members of this symbiotic community! It's taken me decades to realize this.
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Post by matti on Jul 31, 2007 7:55:26 GMT
ahh, I recall going through this myself years ago, thinking that I've got to keep the water chemistry just right! WRONG!! It's NOT the chemistry of the water!! It's the biology of the water! Read my previous posts. These are rootless aquatic plants, and have a ravenous need to feed, especially the green European and Japanese strains. They are constituents of a complex symbiotic community, involving large monocot plants, a robust population of zooplankton fauna, and will not thrive isolated from its constituent members of this symbiotic community! It's taken me decades to realize this. Hmmmm, I wonder why aldrovanda in cultivation have problems with boron deficiencys? Must be a biological thing.
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Post by rsivertsen on Jul 31, 2007 16:42:08 GMT
matti, boron is only a small part of a much larger requirement picture for Aldrovanda; the presence of clay and other minerals do indeed play a significant role in the survival of Aldrovanda, but if the biology, in that all of the symbiotic members of its ecology, are not all present, the chemistry of the water is meaningless and irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2007 23:40:43 GMT
so does feeding the plants prevent boron deficiencys
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Post by Clint on Aug 1, 2007 0:00:08 GMT
Only if whatever you feed it has boron in it, and it's fed regularly.
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Post by rsivertsen on Aug 1, 2007 14:22:49 GMT
Aldrovanda and Urticularia often grow in very muddy and murky waters, and when they capture their prey, some of the suspended clay and silt, (which is also on the creatures themselves) also become part of the meal ticket. If you pull up a healthy strand of Utricularia, you will probably notice that almost every active trap is black, and loaded with something; the same holds true for Aldrovanda, and that in the wild, almost every trap has some caught prey in it.
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Post by BarryRice on Aug 7, 2007 20:15:14 GMT
....but black traps are not necessarily full traps. In my experience, U. macrorhiza, U. minor, and sometimes U. striata traps are jet black, but because of pigmentation and not because of their contents. The dark coloration is produced by the tissue in the bladder walls.
Barry
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Post by matti on Aug 8, 2007 11:06:15 GMT
Add Utricularia aurea to that list Barry.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 21:04:16 GMT
okay so i managed to keep my plant alive this long but they have not grown at all they are still tiny little plants...what should i do?
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