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Post by ieatflys on Feb 13, 2010 1:43:34 GMT
Hi all I just bought a huge nature nepenthes Miranda. well it has a flower on it and its raining seeds like nuts. I put a plastic bag over it for now. I would like to try to germinate these seeds. I am going to germinate them in my propagation chamber but first the questions.
1. what type of dirt.
2. how mutch water
3.how high humidity.
4 and last but not least time how long will it take.
thanks
ieatflys
ps I am posting pics of the miranda in other.[well I am trying to]
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Post by unstuckintime on Feb 15, 2010 19:14:28 GMT
Your N. 'Miranda' is making seeds? Something doesn't seem right here- Nepenthes x 'Miranda' is a complex hybrid, most likely the cross (northiana x maxima) x maxima, and I dont believe that Nepenthes is like Sarracenia in which all hybrids are fertile. That isn't to say that fertile hybrids don't exist, but they are more rare and I am not sure if N. 'Miranda' is one. Also, Nepenthes are dioecious, they are male-and-female specific. So, a single plant cant, by its lonesome, produce seed.
Do you have any other blooming Nepenthes around that may have pollenated it somehow? If not, are you sure that its seeds?
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Post by ieatflys on Feb 16, 2010 0:08:21 GMT
there were two in bloom at the same time earlyer in the year I dont think its fertile the seeds are the shape of my hair.
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Post by Dave Evans on Feb 16, 2010 4:40:34 GMT
Your N. 'Miranda' is making seeds? Something doesn't seem right here- Nepenthes x 'Miranda' is a complex hybrid, most likely the cross (northiana x maxima) x maxima, and I dont believe that Nepenthes is like Sarracenia in which all hybrids are fertile. This is a long standing CP myth. It isn't true  flymuncher, try taking a look at: www.carnivorousplants.org/seedbank/species/Nepenthes.htm |
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Post by unstuckintime on Feb 16, 2010 15:55:21 GMT
This is a long standing CP myth. It isn't true Really? Then what is the truth? I read the article that you posted for ieatflies, and it said that all nepenthes are compatible for hybridization, which makes me feel like their chromosome counts must all be very close to one another, which could make the F 1 hybrids fertile. Would any genetics nerd out there care to shed some science on this? (And I say "nerd" here in the highest regard). |
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Post by sunbelle on Feb 16, 2010 17:04:30 GMT
First of all, every Miramda we've ever seen has been male, but have heard a rumor there once was a female clone. First, lets verify that the plant is indeed a female pod bearer, and really a Miranda. If it is (and very luck ieatflies), then what was the male that was crossed onto her?
Also, not all hybrids are fertile. no doubt this is due to polyploidy. Most are fertile, however, but before getting into hybrid genetics, let's determine exactly what the original poster has.
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Post by Dave Evans on Feb 16, 2010 18:36:00 GMT
Really? Then what is the truth? Apparently, all Nepenthes have 80 chromosomes. Some individuals are not fertile, just like some individuals of any species of animal or plant are not fertile. Some plants which have been propagated via TC are sterile. The vast majority of all Nepenthes species and hybrids are completely fertile. |
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Post by unstuckintime on Feb 16, 2010 19:14:12 GMT
Dave, Thank you! As cool as growing carnivorous plants are, I am first and foremost always a man of science, and so learning things like that is exciting. Sunbelle, I am going to eagerly await your post on hybrid genetics! |
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Post by ieatflys on Feb 16, 2010 21:44:49 GMT
I know for a fact it is nepenthes miranda and I know it is a female. I have photos posted of the plants pitchers and flower [in a bag] under other plants. I will try to post pics of the flower on Thursday when I am around.
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