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Post by ICPS-bob on Apr 14, 2007 1:58:51 GMT
Suppose ICPS were to develop a series of MOUs with these other seed banks, so each seed bank would be the official conduit for the distribution of seeds within their respective legal area of distribution. So, quantities of seeds would be legally imported from, say Australia seed bank to US seed bank and conversely US seed banks to Australia seed bank, for further local distribution -- whether ICPS affiliated or not, but meeting ICPS standards of ethics.
Is this a stupid idea?
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Post by maraxas on Apr 14, 2007 2:51:40 GMT
Seems like a good way to give a larger number of growers access to a greater variety of seed.... nothing stupid about that.
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Post by costaricacultivator on Apr 14, 2007 16:02:37 GMT
how about creating reciprocity agreements with those cp seed banks? you know, like club memberships where you join one but can visit others and viceversa.
carlos
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Post by jm82792 on Apr 30, 2007 7:17:16 GMT
That would mean rare australian drosera!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2007 21:53:18 GMT
I think that all seed banks should form 1 basic set of rules and regulations and 1 basic price for seed and membership ( there should also be a second membership option that is slightly more then the basic membership cost that would allow people to visit foreign cp meetings and purchase plants at these meetings with out having to get a new membership there (like costaricacultivator said)as so that all the seed banks are happy with there ethic, and financial obligations. Then further more to help spread hard to find seeds there should be 1 large catalogue where all the seed from every seed bank is listed and for a slightly larger fee then the usual seed price which should be decided when the rules and regulations are decided people can order seeds from the catalogue that might not be available in their own country but members in the country where you are trying to order from take seed priority. That way every seed bank keeps there usual distribution area (like ICPS-bob said) but in the case that someone wants a cp not available in theit country/area they can have access to another seed banks seed for a slightly increased cost.
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Post by ICPS-bob on Jul 9, 2007 22:25:43 GMT
Good suggestions Carlos and radjess331. All it would take is for someone to actually do the work. Since we are all non-paid volunteers, why don't you join the fun and organize such an endeavor.
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Post by Aidan on Jul 9, 2007 22:51:24 GMT
Also, laws vary from country to country regarding seed importation. The only way for US growers to legally import seed is to be registered under the USDA/APHIS "Small Lots of Seed" programme. Ordering seed from a combined catalogue may therefore not be entirely straightforward.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2007 1:31:18 GMT
ICPS-bob I actually will look into how to go about doing that..Not sure how far ill get seeing as I am 16 and in school but I will look into it.
However according to Aiden it may be a lot harder then it seems..i looked into getting a permit to import and export seeds and since at the moment I only have a level 1 access and in order to apply for level 2 you need a credit card which I don’t have I am unable to further investigate that problem about ordering seed. I will still look into setting up a website of some sort that would allow for multiple people to control and edit and set up some sort of pay pal system with it as well.....maybe some sort of website like this or a DA based website would work...lol I am not sure but I will look into it
new update: okay so I have made a website but I am still working on it but it is free at the moment but has a limited space in it...but it does have a pay pal shop in it which allows for a total of 500 dollars in transactions a month free a 2000 item limit but spruz the website that I am using does get 2percent from whatever money we would be getting. However I understand that John Brittnacher is the only one in icps running the seed bank and using pay pal will increase the work load so the pay pal accessory may not be a good add to the site however I will contact the other cp seed banks on this idea of making 1 large seed bank if you guys give me the okay to do so…btw John Brittnacher how are you able to send seed to other countries because on the seed bank website it seems to be the only restriction is that no cites and endangered plants can be sent to foreign countries if you don’t need a permit to send normal non cites plants that simplifies things like ordering and sending things.
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Post by John Brittnacher on Jul 12, 2007 22:30:54 GMT
The problem isn't usually sending seeds unless you are sending them to the USA or New Zealand. If there are restrictions to your country it is your responsibility to know the laws and abide by them when importing seeds. The laws are generally aimed at the importer, not the exporter. If your country requires permits, you need to send them with the seed order.
As far as regulations I am aware of, the forbidden list to New Zealand looks like they don't want anything they don't know what it is, that is likely to become an invasive, or is too closely related to what is native there. For the USA the problem is terrorists may want to send you Ibicella seeds.
But ordering and sending seeds are not major issues for seed banks. The last thing we need is more ways to order seeds. The major issues are (1) manager burnout because we are volunteers and (2) the lack of seed donations to the seed banks. The ICPS Seed Bank is being decimated by all the members who have joined since we started on-line member management. I may have to tighten the rules even more to make sure seeds are available to the majority of members. All those seeds have to come from within the USA because the USDA won't reasonably allow me to legally import enough seeds to do any good. That is where we need help. We need members to grow plants for seed and to clean and packetize the seed before sending it in to the Seed Bank.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2007 23:42:14 GMT
lol i am actually looking for ibicella seeds...they would grow so easily here in sanbernardino county...we just had a temp the other day of 105 degrees. so then the only problem is that there isnt enough people to deal with the icps orders and to many people ordering...lol i guess the us is the only one having this problem...it would be nice tho if we could order seed from other seed banks tho..like the one in australia....i did begin working on a website that would make an online way of paying for seedfrom other seed banks and the seed banks could all come together and make one seed list but i see now that other people could order from the us but we wouldnt really be able to order from them due to the us regulations
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Post by Clint on Jul 13, 2007 0:33:15 GMT
Lol, so what you are really saying is you want to order seed from other societies and not actually join the society and pay (donate) for membership?
Lol, I don't think it works that way lmao.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2007 0:55:59 GMT
no not at all i think that their should be a more expensieve membership that we can choose like 40 instead of 25 and with that membership then we can order from other seed banks
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Post by John Brittnacher on Jul 13, 2007 2:57:23 GMT
The International Carnivorous Plant Society is NOT about providing cheap seeds to members. And even if it was, members don't donate enough seeds to the Seed Bank to make that possible. At the rate things are going, in about a year the ICPS Seed Bank will only have about 15 items. I am sure the other seed banks are in similar situations. If they expanded sales, they would also run out. So schemes on how to buy more seeds for yourself are not helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2007 23:13:32 GMT
i never said anyting about cheap seeds! and its not about buying more cheap seeds for my self either im just saying that it would be awesome if people could go to other places and with a slightly more expensieve membership they could go to foreign meetings and ubtain foreign seed that all...jeez
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Post by marcel on Jul 14, 2007 12:52:57 GMT
The troubles with sending seeds across borders has been debated often, both here and on other fora. Main point remains: whatever your society, it is the members that have to donate seed. If I take the Dutch seed bank, than it is reasonably filled, but 80% of the donations are done by only 5 people!! You can't supply what is not there. Surplus can be traded between seed banks, but then we get back tot the basic border argument. In Europe we are lucky, the EU is viewed as one CITES-region.
As for going to meetings when abroad, as far as I know most societies will welcome the members of their sister-organizations as guests (more often VERY WELCOME GUESTS) at their meetings when they are in country. If the event includes diner, a bus ride or whatever they usually will only charge that part.
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