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Post by snowflakeobsidian on Aug 14, 2009 18:55:16 GMT
Can someone point me to an official description of P. 'Sethos' and photos of the real thing? Have been trying to figure out whether my plant is a fake or real P. 'Sethos' (or maybe something else entirely). The flower is a bright pink or pale fushia which doesn't come across in the photo. If it's a fake P. 'Sethos', that's fine since I really like this Ping and it's vigor. Am still struggling to take decent pictures of my plant. If I do, will post them. TIA
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Post by Aidan on Aug 14, 2009 19:50:24 GMT
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Post by fredg on Aug 14, 2009 19:59:23 GMT
I get a HTTP404 Not Found on the link this link leads to Aidan
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Post by ICPS-bob on Aug 15, 2009 16:04:05 GMT
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Post by jeff on May 10, 2010 6:36:07 GMT
SLACK had made this hybrids also the third link from BOB is very good
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Post by Joseph Clemens on Nov 14, 2010 1:48:04 GMT
Even though Adrian Slack writes in his initial discriptions of Pinguicula 'Sethos' and Pinguicula 'Weser', that they share the same parents, he does not say that they are siblings. The cultivar registrar recorded them to be of reciprocal parentage. I do not know why the parentage was recorded this way. I do trust our CP cultivar registrar, he (Jan Schlauer) is famous for being meticulously accurate in this important task, among many. See link to CP DatabaseApparently, if the cultivar registrar is correct, they are derived from the same parents, but with P. 'Sethos'; having Pinguicula moranensis as the seed parent, and with Pinguicula ehlersiae as the pollen donor, while with Pinguicula 'Weser' the lineage was reversed, and Pinguicula ehlersiae was the seed parent, and Pinguicula moranensis was the pollen donor. Perhaps the registrar who processed these cultivars could comment. Please.
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Post by icra4icps on Nov 15, 2010 8:02:07 GMT
Even though Adrian Slack writes in his initial discriptions of Pinguicula 'Sethos' and Pinguicula 'Weser', that they share the same parents, he does not say that they are siblings. The cultivar registrar recorded them to be of reciprocal parentage. I do not know why the parentage was recorded this way. I do trust our CP cultivar registrar's, they are famous for being meticulously accurate in this important task. See link to CP DatabaseApparently, if the cultivar registrar is correct, they are derived from the same parents, but with P. 'Sethos'; having Pinguicula moranensis as the seed parent, and with Pinguicula ehlersiae as the pollen donor, while with Pinguicula 'Weser' the lineage was reversed, and Pinguicula ehlersiae was the seed parent, and Pinguicula moranensis was the pollen donor. Perhaps the registrar who processed these cultivars could comment. Please. The registrar you mention is yours truly (Jan Schlauer), as you can see from the line "HC: Registered 10. 11. 1998 {JS}" in the cp database. The reciprocal parentage of the two cultivars is indeed not mentioned by Adrian Slack, who did not breed any of the two hybrids but received both from Harald Weiner. Weiner apparently never published anything about his hybrids, so all I have heard about the two cultivars (incl. the original description) is actually secondary literature. I think it was Thomas Carow who detailed the parentage of the two cultivars (in pers. comm.). BTW, For some reason unknown to me the standard picture of _P._ ' Sethos ' from Oliver Gluch is not linked to the entry in the cp database. I will try to fix this with Rick.
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Post by jeff on Nov 16, 2010 7:50:14 GMT
in the CP database
'Sethos' = ehlersiae x moranensis
with the taxonomy rule always the female are the first name
'Sethos' and 'Weser' may be reversed ?
jeff
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Post by Joseph Clemens on Nov 16, 2010 22:51:39 GMT
jeff, I am not quite sure I understand what you are saying. But, Pinguicula 'Sethos'‚ ( P. ehlersiae x P. moranensis). P. 'Sethos' is simply a selection from the afforementioned hybrid, they are not equal (synonymous), every plant of that same parental cross are not P. 'Sethos', only plants that exactly match the description and standard for P. 'Sethos' are that cultivar. I do believe it is most common to list the female or seed parent first when writing the hybrid "formula", however the ICBN rules do permit the symbol be used to indicate the female, or seed parent, and the symbol be used to indicate the male parent, or pollen donor if the author wishes to list the parents alphabetically, yet still make clear which parent is the seed parent and which the pollen donor. For example Pinguicula gypsicola x Pinguicula moranensis indicates that the plants are listed alphabetically and the symbols are used to indicate which parent is the seed parent and which the pollen donor.
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Post by Dave Evans on Nov 17, 2010 0:34:32 GMT
Even though Adrian Slack writes in his initial discriptions of Pinguicula 'Sethos' and Pinguicula 'Weser', that they share the same parents, he does not say that they are siblings. Well, since the plants are hermies; cannot they be siblings even if the parentage of the female is reversed in the cross? It is still the same parents; just a different generation and different direction. The result is siblings that have inherited the different (species specific) non-nuclear DNA from their respective female parent.
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Post by jeff on Nov 17, 2010 8:19:39 GMT
P. 'Sethos' is a horticultural hybrid not an natural I am OK .
on the database see the order of the parent from P. 'Sethos' and P. 'Weser'
what do you make like other hybrids ,with these two taxa ( type ,stabilized) P. ehlersiae and P. moranensis in this order ?
we can write the name by 2 ways ( H.1 ; H2.1 ; H2A.1 sT LOUIS code) if this hybrid was natural , like you write with these 2 logo , but commonly also with the name of the female parent first .
we can named also this horticultural hybrid like P. 'Sethos' of course .
only the female gamete provides the cytoplasm with chloroplasts and mitochondria therefore here that the female is P. moranensis or P. ehlersiae the morphological characters are necessarily differents .Finally, this is what I think
jeff
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