Poached Nepenthes seed!

[grandmaster]

pitsel-pitsel.proboards.com/index.cgi?

Read the messages posted Enough said.

[gardenofeden]

can't access with that link...

[taz6122]

If you want ppl here to read it you should copy and paste. I don't know about others but I am a member of enough web sites and groups now.

[grandmaster]

It's not a website with any popularity just an Indonesian guy with 500 kids to feed and I won't continue this but here goes.

Nepenthes aristolochioides from Mt tujuh.
available in November. ( may be) Now available.
1 pod/capsule = 60 US$
buy 5 pod extra 1 pod

N. sphatulata seeds from mt raya.
1 pod = US$ 45
buy 5 pod extra 1 pod.

available now:nepenthes glabrata
from Poso lake:
1 pod = 50 US$

Nepenthes singalana from Mt tujuh
available in November
Now available
1 pod/capsule = 50US$
buy 5 pod extra 1 pod

Nepenthes pectinata from Mt merapi
20 US$ for 1 pod
5pod extra 1 pod

Nepenthes pectinata from Mt Tujuh/ Mt Masurai/ Mt Gedang/ Mt sumbing
30 US$ for 1 pod
5pod extra 1 pod

Nepenthes pectinata from Mt sago
20 US$ for 1 pod
5pod extra 1 pod

please write down your order, & the seed u want to buy, if u already registered in this forum, u will got discount (member discount 30-40 %!!!)

I will start offer, Nepenthes, Amorphophallus, Antplants( Myrmecodia,Hydnophytum), orchid, Hoya, Lecanopteris(antfern), etc, in this forum

1 seed pod of Nepenthes approx up+100 seeds.
I never count the seed inside, so i sell it in its pod/capsule.

we have a collector in every province of Indonesia.

If u interest in any wild plants seed, u can contact us to looking for.

thanx

for member:
Nepenthes seed discount = 40 %

Antplants seed discount = 30 %

Amorphophallus seed discount 30 %

example:
N. aristolochioides seeds:
for member:
60$ - 40% = 36$

if buy 5 pod extra free 1 pod = 36$ *5 /6 = 30 US$ per 1 pod

This guy needs to be shot!.

[grandmaster]

There was also a guy named periuk kera at cpuk selling some very rare seed.

[Brian Barnes]

Hello All,
I firmly agree....this really sucks! And, it's quite obvious where it is all coming from, without question. I'm on it....
Happy Growing,
Brian.

[killerplants]

Is it poached or wild collected?

[taz6122]

Nov 23, 2008 17:15:26 GMT killerplants said:

Is it poached or wild collected?

Unless you are going to return to the spot, where you collected, and spread seed then it's poaching. Which I doubt these ppl are doing.

[killerplants]

–noun 1. the illegal practice of trespassing on another's property to hunt or steal game without the landowner's permission.
2. any encroachment on another's property, rights, ideas, or the like.

Where is there a definition that says you have to re-seed to prevent it from being poaching ?
Unless it's on private property or a refuge and the collector had no permission, then it's wild collected-not poaching.
Do not forget, all of our material comes from wild collected seed, and it could be worse: He could be taking plants(he may be for all we know). And, he is not alone. There are many people in that area of the world who wild collect seed .
Yes, I am playing Devil's Advocate.

[ieatflys]

Stupid idiot has no respect for anything or any one but himself.

[taz6122]

Killerplants This is for taking plants not sure about seed. In the US you have to have the owners permission and in most states you have to buy a permit. And if I'm not mistaken you have to reseed the area you took them from. When and if you get seed from the plants taken. I am not sure about just taking the seed. I'll try to find the article I got this from.
This is not in the US though. Don't know what their laws are.

[grandmaster]

The guys got rocks in his head, look what he sent me.



Hello,i think u must a good person and smart thinking person. u dun need to explain all your mind with the bad smell words. that will make your mouth also bad smell with the bad words.
the way u talking descript what u are.
i hope u can teach and tell me some idea, and we can chat for the way to protect the habitat from the poacher. u must know that the villager is offered to become a hunter for poaching them, by the large nursery in Jakarta for agriculture event or for sale there with a great value.
i often go to mountain and visit the villager to ask them to guide me get some pollen for polinate the mirabilis or lowland species i have. i have my lowland plant from Juliana from Malesiana tropical. u can ask her.

thank you for some of your advice.
regarind
Ady.

[killerplants]

Sorry, I thought we were talking about Indonesia, not the US. If you find anything(even about the US), please post it. It would be a interesting read, regardless. I have never wc anything(do not live near any to be tempted, lol, and I did not take anything when I went to Big Thicket for my forst wild cp experience).
What I was trying to get at, was it sucks if he is taking plants, but I myself have no idea where exactly the plants grow-they may not be in a protected area or an area where the land is owned.
I have no idea of their laws.
His English may not be very good, but honestly, to swear at him about his practices(which, we do not know are illegal yet, do we?), is not the best diplomacy.
That's not directed to you personally, taz6122, just a general comment.

Cheers,

Joe
author=taz6122 board=nepenthes thread=2426 post=16432 time=1227504556]Killerplants This is for taking plants not sure about seed. In the US you have to have the owners permission and in most states you have to buy a permit. And if I'm not mistaken you have to reseed the area you took them from. When and if you get seed from the plants taken. I am not sure about just taking the seed. I'll try to find the article I got this from.
This is not in the US though. Don't know what their laws are.[/quote]

[Dave Evans]

I'm sorry, but what is anyone's problem this this fellows activities?

Everything sounds fine and on the up and up to me.

This thread sounds like a liberal witch hunt. There is no evidence this fellow is doing something wrong.

This guy needs to be shot!

You're nuts.

[manders]

It does seem that this guy has been lynched without evidence. There is nothing to stop people collecting wild seeds perfectly legally in the majority of countries provided you do it ethically. This usually means only collecting a fraction of the total seeds available and not the majority of them and also having the landowners permission. The idea of going back and re-seeding is a new one on me.

Wild collected seed, ethically collected, has been offered for sale on a number of forums and I have bought and grown some of it, as have many other people.

There seems to be some double standards here...