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Post by marcel on Mar 29, 2007 16:05:25 GMT
As Barry pointed out, collecting plants on your own property is in The States legal. The plants they sell if they are indeed wild collected are therefore legal and you can buy then if you want.
I prefer nursery-grown plants to wild collected plants when possible, but that is my personal view.
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Post by Vater Araignee on Apr 4, 2007 3:52:39 GMT
I believe that Fly Trap Farm in N.C. digs up plants on their own property. I have a ping and a sundew from flytrap farm that i found at a local garden center. is it ok to get more plants from them? That would entirely depend on your personal ethics. Don't listen to any one but yourself.
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Post by killerplants on May 24, 2007 23:57:52 GMT
In a sense, this is not that different than nursery grown plants. Instead of using a greenhouse, they are using land. I guess I would liken it to a Christmas tree farm. They might harvest from one area and then another while the first one is re-seeded. "If" that is what is going on, it would be interesting to see if any genetic variation occurs there. I know it bugs some people, but as it's been pointed out, it's their land. How come I always end up playing Devil's Advocate(no Barry, not the New Jersey Devil) with flytraps? Not that long ago, I suggested it was not the worst thing in the World to introduce Dionaea to non-native areas... Cheers, Joe As Barry pointed out, collecting plants on your own property is in The States legal. The plants they sell if they are indeed wild collected are therefore legal and you can buy then if you want. I prefer nursery-grown plants to wild collected plants when possible, but that is my personal view.
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Post by shartmeyer on Jul 25, 2007 8:20:57 GMT
Finding a (commercial) group order at the CPUK for CP from Lowrie (Australia) I could not refrain from asking if those plants are meanwhile artificial propagated. In an answer I was accused to be "happy to accept" poaching until Irmgard and I had a falling out with Lowrie on our 1995 tour. That was a reason for me to talk about that topic for the first time on the internet (we mentioned that only on our private movies until now). Certainly will several persons now like to stone me to death, because I call a person into question who is an inexhaustible source for rare and new discovered Australian plants by catalogue. However, I am prepared to stand it and emphasize that a suspicion of commercial poaching (I don't talk about field collection of small amounts for scientific examination) is too serious to "sweep it under the carpet" as we say in Germany. Here is the link to the CPUK: www.cpukforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=22068editing to correct the link, pinglover
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Post by BarryRice on Jul 25, 2007 17:06:25 GMT
Hey Folks,
This thread is approaching territory which could be extremely contentious and explosive. Moderators will no doubt follow this discussion very closely, for oh so many reasons. I remind everyone to maintain civility and good manners.
Cheers
Barry
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Post by shartmeyer on Jul 28, 2007 9:55:38 GMT
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Post by Aidan on Jul 28, 2007 10:19:02 GMT
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Post by jm82792 on Aug 11, 2007 16:06:05 GMT
What they could do is try to get tuberous drosera invitro perfected so then they would reduce poaching. Just a thought maybe someone who lives in australia could try some advanced invitro on them since the current problem is getting them to tuber invtiro reliablely.
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Post by Dave Evans on Aug 11, 2007 19:52:50 GMT
What they could do is try to get tuberous drosera invitro perfected so then they would reduce poaching. Just a thought maybe someone who lives in australia could try some advanced invitro on them since the current problem is getting them to tuber invtiro reliablely. I rather doubt that will work out very well... The plants seem to make tuber in responce to dryness, which doesn't exist invitro. This doesn't mean that TC will not work, it should be possible with or without the tuber stage of life. Also, farmering them should work as well.
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Post by pitcherfreak on Aug 11, 2007 20:35:24 GMT
Another thought is after culturing is near completion you could try starving the culture of nutrients. In zantedeschia (calla lily) this induces tuberization of the culturelings if they are already fully formed they call them minitubers (Straying from the thread a bit I know)
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Post by shartmeyer on Sept 6, 2007 10:15:59 GMT
I received some emails asking why the Lowrie-thread has been removed from the CPUK-forum. The answer is easy: it is still there, but the forum has a new look now, and the "General CP-discussions" have been moved to "Societies and information". Here is the new address: www.cpukforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=22068
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Post by pt888 on Sept 7, 2007 6:13:49 GMT
Hi,
I wouldn't dig up any Carnivorous Plant if I owned the property the plants grew on. But I think some States offer Tax Break incentives if you keep and don't disturb endangered species of plants on your own property. I may be wrong but I think someone told me about that. Maybe that might keep people that own property from digging up plants of this nature.
My family owns land that wild ginseng grows, mayapple root also. We don't dig it up at all but let it grow to its hearts content. But we have a problem of people tresspassing and harvesting the plants.
Thanks, RC
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Post by pinglover on Sept 8, 2007 18:05:34 GMT
I've got American Ginseng here by me too. I bought 10 plants a few years ago. (Sigh) I too have had similar problems. I've had people digging out in the front of my property in broad daylight before. They told me when I walked toward them and questioned what they were doing that it was forest preserve property so it was ok. I pointed to my house which was set way back and stated the property was private and to look at the roof poking out through the trees because there was a whole house under that roof. They left. Next day there were big holes in my ground from where they had come back and taken all the plants I had purchased and planted the previous year. I've also had whole pots of carnivorous plants stolen right off my patio out back. That's pretty ballsy (sp?) to come right up to someone's back door to steal plants. Now I have a sign that has an arrow on it pointing to a wireless video camera blanketing the front of the property. Underneath the arrow it says 6 more on location. The images are real crisp too. Haven't had a theft since but did catch some kids out back by the pond and at Halloween doing regular old silly/stupid kid stuff. We shared the images with them and I guess it spread like wildfire that we had surveillance. No more skinny dipping out back or t-ping of our house when the teen natives get restless We don't have theft issues at our summer home but there are other problems up there. People get in with quads, dirtbikes, and snowmobiles and they have a field day. They were following the trails the deer made but repeated use widened those trails and they were breaking off limbs of my trees that got in their way and also tossing out food wrappers and pop cans which I had to clean up. They aren't respectful and drive over anything in their path tossing out garbage as they go. The biggest problem is that they don't clean their tires and such before they trespass which introduces weed seed that then germinates that I have to control. I shut off as much access to the property as was possible. A few snowmobilers are still getting in but not nearly as many because we dragged whole logs in front of any entrance we could find. We also strategically place logs in the middle of the trails they created on our property which forces many to turn around if they do get past the logs at the entrances. Deer can go over the logs but it's pretty difficult to lift a quad or a dirtbike over those nice long logs. I am vehemently opposed to wild collection and will not knowingly purchase plants from a nursery where the wilds are their wholesaler provider regardless of whether the plants are from private lands and were collected with the knowledge and/or consent of the owner or not. I am not opposed to any individual using their lands to grow plants for sale in a situation similar to that of a tree farm as mentioned by killerplants. Although I don't make it a practice of digging up plants to share with friends from my own land (most were purchased and added to the property), I have shared volunteer tree seedlings with others that popped up as well as seedlings from acorns of trees on the property that I propagated myself. I'm not opposed to a landowner sharing plants from their property with a friend providing the population isn't unduly compromised. Harvesting from the wild is uncool. So is paying people to harvest from the wild on one's behalf to increase one's collection of location plants under the guise that they're just going to be developed over sooner or later anyway and that they're safer in a private collection.
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Post by stevestewart on Sept 22, 2007 12:38:14 GMT
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Post by yathkin on Feb 22, 2008 22:31:33 GMT
Earlier on this thread someone had voiced concerns about Fly-Trap farm. After some investigation, I've found that those concerns were fairly justified. They are paying collecters to gather plants, although they claim they follow all rules for doing so. Check out this article and see what you think: web.archive.org/web/20061020171916/http://www.flytrapfarm.com/article05feb06.pdfNote some of the things they say about how flytraps are easily collected from road sides, trails, and the green swamp. Also do the math on the number of plants they are selling. By their own estimates they are selling 2250-5000 plants Weekly during peak season. There is no way that many plants could possibly be from all from private lands with written permission. They have their list of flower shows they are attending as a vender. I suggest that we contact the shows and ask them how they feel about hosting a vender engaged in such practices. ADMIN: I tried to fix the URL so it is clickable, but it appears that you will need to copy and paste the entire line into your browser.
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