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Post by Brian Barnes on Jan 25, 2008 13:23:42 GMT
Hello all! Based on my research of this Drosera species, i've come to the conclusion that it responds best to Highland-type conditions... Can it truly be grown successfully under lights with constant warm temps, or does that, usually over a period of time, lead to the plant's demise- i.e. year-round tropical climate? Are the nightly temperature drops totally necessary for success? Happy Growing! Brian
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Post by thwyman on Jan 25, 2008 18:42:44 GMT
FWIW I grow all mine in the crawlspace with my highlanders
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Post by ICPS-bob on Jan 25, 2008 19:58:20 GMT
I grow my D. regia in an unheated greenhouse where temps approach freezing at night. During summer, night temps are in the low 50s F. The plants seem to do just fine and flower each year. I have never lost a D. regia plant growing under these conditions.
I have no experience growing them under lights with constant warm controlled temps.
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Post by Brian Barnes on Jan 26, 2008 11:30:57 GMT
Thanks for the info guys. I'm gonna take a Darlingtonia approach with this species, under lights, but with temps at a constant 78F with cold water to keep the roots a little cooler. I've seen the pics of yours, Bob...awesome! It does seem this species enjoys cooler temps and lower humidity... I'll keep everyone posted with my results! Happy Growing, Brian.
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Post by Dave Evans on Jan 27, 2008 20:22:05 GMT
Hello,
I would describe D. regia's temperature requirements as similar to those of Heliamphora and Darlingtonia Basically the longer they are in warm to hot conditions, the easier it will be for something to go wrong. Like the plants becoming stressed and attracting scales or other pests, or becoming diseased. If the plants are well established or have some hidden benefit like being in very fluffy mix that provides evaporative cooling, they could could be in warm to hot conditions for a while before becoming stressed.
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Post by Brian Barnes on Jan 27, 2008 23:46:30 GMT
Hey Dave. You got it! I'm thinking live sphagnum is pretty much my best bet. Peter D'Amato grow his in live sphag and they look great... I'm presently experimenting with three different plants from three different seed collecting sites in Baineskloof. This could produce some rather tasty results. I'd like to refine growing these guys under lights. Very little info exists on this approach though...I will keep everyone up to date on my results, etc... Pics are on the way soon. Happy Growing, Brian.
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Post by kulamauiman on Mar 4, 2009 23:18:13 GMT
Aloha Brian, was reading this thread again thinking. So far I have managed to kill 2 kings. I have conditions that should make growing highland Neps possible at 3600 feet elevation. Days are in the 70F-80F range nights down to the 40F-60F range depending on season. Occasionally (every 10 years or so frost) and temps down to the mid 30s. On any given day I can pick South African flowers of the genus Protea and Leucadendron that seem to need the cold to do well here in Hawaii. However, both of my early attempts failed. The leaves turned black, even the new leaves as they were emerging. This was with the plants under my eaves getting shade from noon-evening. I began to suspect that UV light might be an issues at my elevation and latitude. So current test I built a small, cool, well ventilated greenhouse covered with a polycarbonate. It is supposed to absorb 90+ % of the UV light. So far I have been able to keep alive King number 3. Leaves are not burning. I have utilized your ideas of growing in live Sphagnum. Would it have been also useful to plant in unglazed ceramic pot to further increase cooling? Also wondering if Dr. Bob Ziemer's growing conditions, under glass is also reducing effects of some UV. Your greenhouse freaked my wife out some and now she doest want me to to make one out of sliding glass doors (and I had already found several) My UV light experiment seem to be successful, although I still need to grow species like D. adelea in more shade....... Mahalo, Mach Fukada
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Post by Brian Barnes on Mar 5, 2009 10:37:18 GMT
Hi Mach,
I'd be careful using an unglazed ceramic pot. In my opinion, they're great for Drosophyllum but that's about it as far as CP are concerned. Unglazed clay pots can go bone-dry in the blinking of an eye! Not good for D. regia... I have 4 Drosera regia that I've been growing in live Florida spaghnum, in large white plastic pots that are quite deep, to allow the roots to go deep into the cool depths of the pot.
My plants are outside in full sun during Fall, Winter and early Spring. Once Summer arrives and temps hit above 80F on a consistant basis with no real nightly "cool down", inside they come, under growlights with all of the Heliamphora, where it never reaches above 76F. They seem to grow their best and fastest for me, with shorter photoperiods of 8-10 hrs direct sun and temps between 45F at night and 75F by day. The higher the temps, the drier I tend to keep them. Too much water, combined with above 80F temps and no nightly cool down will cause their demise, at least in my conditions here in Florida.
Happy Growing,
Brian.
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Post by rsivertsen on Mar 5, 2009 13:38:21 GMT
I have several pots of this now, and have found that they do better in lower humidity than many other Drosera, (same with pygmy Dros.). Also, I've moved them from sphagnum and peat mixes (which can get too wet, and stay too wet too long) to all NJ Pine Barrens sand, both in deep pots and shallow ones; it doesn't seem to make any difference so far. High humidity seems to cause these plants to rot very quickly. Once they're established, they seem to take as much direct sunlight as you can give them, UV and all. During the summer, I set mine outside by my lawn on the ground, where they get direct sunlight nearly all day.
I was surprised to see how well they respond to frequent feeding. I feed them frozen tubiflex worms that have been thawed out. They are known as "blood worms" in the pet stores, and you can get them in a package of small blister packs where you can pop them out and thaw them in a small container for a few minutes, and then spread them on the leaves. Every part of the dewy leaf can handle being fed. The entire leaf curls up like a corkscrew! I feed as many leaves that are dewy. After a few months of doing this, I've noticed that the base of the plants swell, and several fleshy new roots form. I have them under lights in my basement in NJ, where it's fairly cool, both day and night.
Last year, I had one on my deck where it got a little hot. The main growth point turned brown and died, but when I pulled it out of the pot, I saw the roots still had pink/white tips to them, so I re potted it, and placed it in this sand, and put it out on the lawn; it resumed producing a new growth point within 6 weeks, and is still growing strong. - Rich
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Post by sundewman on Mar 7, 2009 4:32:02 GMT
I grow my King (Big Easy) under T-8 lights in Joseph Clemens' recommended mix of 1:1 LFS:redwoood bark mulch topped with live sphagnum. I have it in an open tray, nearly touching the lights (very low humidity) and it has been sending new growth up like crazy. Temps are around 80-85 in the day and 70 or so at night (the lights are the only thing providing the temp increase. Thanks again Bob!!!
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Post by fredg on Mar 7, 2009 18:04:16 GMT
Brian my friend, I grow my regia in a case in an unheated greenhouse. Pots are 8" squares. Case size is 6ft x 2.5ft x 2ft. I use various composts from peat/sand/grit to peat/perlite. I have never used live sphagnum. The plants bounce of the roof (2.5ft) annually. Watering is on the tray method and they stand in water for about 8 months of the year along with my Cephalotus. Some of the plants last spring (2008)
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Post by sundewman on Mar 7, 2009 22:25:56 GMT
wow, that looks incredible. i could only imagine having a field of D. regia. maybe in a few years...
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Post by rsivertsen on Mar 7, 2009 23:12:38 GMT
I have noticed that tubiflex worms doesn't get all moldy and full of mildew like insects do when feeding your plants; also, a watered down solution of fish emulsion works well on Pings, and can be sprayed directly on their leaves during their active growing stage, and they will respond by producing flowers within a few weeks. - Rich
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Post by fredg on Mar 8, 2009 12:30:11 GMT
rsivertsen
Feeding regia with blood worm? (= mosquito larvae...... tubifex = sludge worm, sewage worms are entirely different) I would have thought the occasional mouse or rat would be more appropriate .... counting your arms afterwards. ;D
Having said that ...the largest prey my plants have caught was a guinea fowl.... stupid thing.... how it got in there is a mystery.... luckily I was nearby and rescued and returned it to it's owners. No lasting damage occured to either predator or prey ;D
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Post by Brian Barnes on Mar 8, 2009 14:01:50 GMT
FREDDDD!! Your plants are beautiful indeed. Wow, it is quite interesting how we all have different methods and conditions around the world... Keep in touch, Happy Spring, Brian.
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