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Post by Dave Evans on Aug 5, 2008 20:38:34 GMT
I have tried using coffee for watering Nepenthes, Pinguicula, Heliamphora and Drosera; as well as several non-carnivorous plants like Pothos and this super rare climbing fern. I had minimal results with Pinguicula, but that might because I used only a very small amount. All the rest showed an amazing change, turning much darker green and growing faster. My pothos plant now has leaves five times the surface area as compared to the leaves it has been growing for the last year (in the same exact conditions) before watering it with coffee, I've been growing this clone for years and years, and never knew it had the potential to grow this robustly. Nepenthes love the coffee. I have only watered them once with it. I tried it on a few plants, saw amazing results and then gave the rest of them some. If your plant is having some sort of nutrient deficiency that feeding insect does not seem to help, the coffee should more than make up for it. I typically see results is four to six week after application. Smaller plant show the change a little more quickly. Do not over do it or you'll produce conditions of rot by feeding bacteria and fungus already present in the soil. Simply take some cooled, stale coffee you would normally throw out and use it to water your plants once, in place of water. Just once. Do this with your houseplants too. I would not apply coffee to the soil more than once or twice a year. Do not apply to the leaves or pitchers. It works on seedlings too, but wait until they have used up their cotyledons and have grown out a couple of leaves. Otherwise there will not be any benefit, but could cause weeds and pathogens to over take them when they are still small super small. Every Nepenthes I tried this on has become much more vigorous, including N. madagascariensis. It does not even look like the same plant as compared to the same time last year. It was always very yellowish and slow growing. Not anymore
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Post by rwatkins on Aug 5, 2008 21:27:49 GMT
so I wonder why the roots instead of the leaves/pitchers? aren't the leaves & traps more suited for absorption of nutrients then the roots on CPs?
Also, have you done a test of the PH, PPM and makeup of minerals/materials in coffee? Where coffee does contain some acids, I wonder if it's like a soil refresh?
interesting find
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Post by Dave Evans on Aug 5, 2008 21:40:06 GMT
I don't see any need to run tests. The results are conclusive. Coffee has what plants need to grow. Think about it, all the beans are, are the cotyledon of baby coffee bushes/trees. The beans are baked so the nutrients breakdown and become soluble; then we leach a lot of this good nutrient out of the beans when making the coffee drink. After sitting on the burner for too long, the drink starts to oxidize and taste horrible, but the all nutrients are still there, just not the flavor/anti-oxidents.
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Post by rwatkins on Aug 5, 2008 21:52:06 GMT
oh I'm not disputing your findings, I just have a habit of asking why it worked hehe. ;D
for example, you stated that it worked well on the Nepenthes, but not so much on the Pings.
Granted you also stated that you used a small amount on the Pings., but there could be other differences... Depending on the Pings some prefer more of an alkaline soil to an acidic (a lot of Mexican Pings, for example) and, as Coffee tends to have some acids in it... maybe that was also a contributing factor?
It would be interesting to test it out and see how its benefiting the plants and in what ways.
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Post by Dave Evans on Aug 6, 2008 22:25:30 GMT
Hello R, Below is a reply from another forum where I posted the same thread. I am using a strong brew of Maxwell House, but I really doubt the brand matters any. Nothing was adding, sugar in the soil sounds like a very bad idea to me. It is just old, burnt coffee people would normally poor down the drain and make a new pot full. Side effects to watch for include an increase the pathogens and weeds. It works like fertilizer on everything, not just the CP's. For example, if you have some mold growing on the soil surface, this will also make it grow much thicker and faster. Same for Algae. The difference between this and salt based fertilizer is coffee appears to a perfectly balanced level of nutrients for the growth of most Carnivorous Plants, whereas salt based fertile have to be carefully applied, under applied really, and they can still harm your plants. The coffee does not seem to have this sort of problem. Very interesting. Do you think it could be the acidity, like peat tea? Dear Michelle and Trent, No, I think it is the nutrients from the coffee beans. I do think it has a soil refreshing quality, like with peat tea. However, I think that coffee is much more potent than peat tea. People mention that peat tea re-acidifies soil, I doubt it. Peat moss has nutrients, but they are bound by the acidic conditions, adding peat tea replaces some of the nutrients, but they are still bound by the tannic acids and there really isn't a good "spectrum" of nutrient in peat tea; too much of one thing and none of another. Coffee simply has way more nutrient than does a similar amount of peat moss, which is mostly fiber.
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Post by BarryRice on Aug 6, 2008 23:30:35 GMT
Hey Dave,
I don't know about the nutrient content of black coffee, however coffee grounds have a C:N ratio of about 20:1, which is the same as lawn clippings, i.e. very high.
B
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Post by stevestewart on Aug 7, 2008 11:29:19 GMT
Hello,
I think the real news in this thread is that Dave admitted to the world that he grows "Pothos"! ;D Sorry Dave, I couldn't help myself. Epipremnum aureum "Pothos" is a common exotic here in Florida, climbing high into trees in people's yards.
Take care, Steve
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Post by Brian Barnes on Aug 7, 2008 11:42:53 GMT
Interesting,.... I've been occasionally putting coffee grounds in my staghorn ferns for years and they love it as well and reward me with rich, luscious growth.... I expect that soon, there will be a Nepenthes hamata var. 'StarBucks' cultivar released! ;D Happy Growing, Brian.
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Post by BarryRice on Aug 7, 2008 14:59:40 GMT
Brian,
I only know about the C:N ratio of coffee grounds because, as a new homeowner, I recently set up a compost bin in the back yard. I've got plenty of nitrogen for it from the lawn clippings (the lawn must go!), but have had a devil of a time finding carbon rich matter for the pile. No deciduous trees!
Neighbors have spotted me collecting dead brown grasses and weeds from a weedy lot nearby!
Anyway, I stopped by a Starbucks and picked up a garbage can's worth of coffee grounds---figuring they'd be "browns" for the pile. But a bit of research turns up that coffee grounds are extremely nitrogen rich! Crazy.
So, I wonder if Dave's coffee experiments are acting as a mild fertilizer?
B
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2008 2:46:29 GMT
My family has used coffee to grow their plants fro generations. I have grown hundreds of trees, fruits, and vegetables with a thin layer of coffee grounds on the surface. When you do that. The bumper years are way bigger and the off years are just a large as a bumper year. However dont put a thick layer. A thick layer will cause lots of mold to grow. It takes practice to get the amount just right but it is a big help for plants.
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Post by pinglover on Aug 29, 2008 2:50:09 GMT
In the world of compost, spent coffee grounds are classified as a green. Ideally, one would want equal parts of greens and browns in their compost.
Browns are sources of carbon and they don't decompose all that fast. Examples of browns would be the straw from horse stalls, sawdust from a chainsaw, ashes, pine needles, leaves, stale bread, toilet paper and paper towel tubes, and spent potting soils. Greens are sources of nitrogen and they decompose faster. Examples of greens would be horse manure, dog poops (yes, I add those to my composter because my dogs are all on Frontline Plus and vetted at least once a year), chicken poop, coffee grounds, tea bags, vegetable and fruit scraps, pond string algae, house plants on their way to heaven, shrub prunings, and of course grass clippings.
Egg shells are supposedly a brown but they also add calcium as well as other micronutrients to our compost.
I shamelessly stand in line at Starbucks with all the coffee drinkers waiting my turn to get my "freebies" while they pay. I pick up over 90% of my spent coffee grounds from Starbucks because we simply don't drink coffee all that much at home. Starbucks packages it nicely and I simply toss it into my composter. Here's what their label on their spent coffee grounds says-
Although I'm not advocating the use of spent coffee grounds around anyone's CPs, I have been treating some of my Nepenthes to left over Maxwell House Medium Dark coffee for a while and have experienced that same darker green mentioned by Dave Evans. I admittedly seem to get similar results when adding 1T of vinegar to rain water also so I suspect the Neps are benefiting from the acid being added to their medium somehow. Average pH of Maxwell House's Medium Dark coffee grounds is stated as not being slightly acidic but acidic at 4.0. I've tested their coffee myself using a truncheon meter and am coming up with similar readings. I suspect the average pH for Folger's Medium Dark Blend would be somewhere in that range and interestingly enough, the longer the coffee sits around in a cup, the lower the pH. Somebody explain this please.
That being said, I don't think I'd treat a Nep to a monthly drink of decaffeinated coffee as the chemicals frequently used in the decaffeination process aren't exactly fully disclosed.
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Post by Kayota on Sept 1, 2008 23:48:57 GMT
I would try this, but you're all much more experienced growers... so I think I'll wait it out. My Dionaea is doing well as it is, I see no need to change what I'm doing at the moment
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Post by Fred P on Sept 29, 2008 4:52:55 GMT
Has anyone tried coffee on Sarracenia? If yes, what were the rsults?
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Post by Dave Evans on Oct 7, 2009 23:40:19 GMT
I haven't tried it on Sarracenia, but then I've never noticed them have nutrient defiencies. So my thinking is, why bother fertilizing plants that do not need it? I try not to fix what isn't broke... Here is some photographic evidence: www.rci.rutgers.edu/~dpevans/CarnivorousPlants.htmClick on the Nep flowers and then on N. rajah.
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Post by Michael on Oct 8, 2009 2:24:38 GMT
Great Photo's! All that super growth from one cup of coffee? What quantity of coffee?
A BIG Gulp? :-)
I have a few extra nameless Neps, I might have to give this a try...
Mike
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